Household Size - Sorry if old Q

[Smokey Bear 71]

OK.

 

My good lady - has 3 kids (9-12-15) which whilst only there part time I understand count towards HH size. So thats 3+1+1 = 5.

However, she lives with her parents, who both work and are NOT dependent on her income, am I correct to assume they do NOT count towards the HH size?

 

If however we were to include them in the HHS does that mean we CAN include their income? i.e. The HHS is now 7, but has 3x incomes?

If so do we fill out ONE form for a single HH or 3x forms for each person with an INCOME?

 

Sorry to be a pain.

 

Thanks

JY

[arken 4,197]

14 minutes ago, Johnny Yukon said:

OK.

 

My good lady - has 3 kids (9-12-15) which whilst only there part time I understand count towards HH size. So thats 3+1+1 = 5.

However, she lives with her parents, who both work and are NOT dependent on her income, am I correct to assume they do NOT count towards the HH size?

Correct

 

 

14 minutes ago, Johnny Yukon said:

 

If however we were to include them in the HHS does that mean we CAN include their income? i.e. The HHS is now 7, but has 3x incomes?

If so do we fill out ONE form for a single HH or 3x forms for each person with an INCOME?

 

Sorry to be a pain.

 

Thanks

JY

You can do so, your lady will fill out i864 and each parent will fill out i864a separately.

 

If her income is more than sufficient, no need to go through combining income.

[Smokey Bear 71]

1 minute ago, arken said:

You can do so, your lady will fill out i864 and each parent will fill out i864a separately.

Thanks.... the requirement is 37,712 - her currently salary until JAN20 is 32K - BUT has 35K in savings.

So is it better to just do that , understanding that 35K is divided by 3 to add to the 32K , or is it better to do combined incomes?

 

SUB QUESTION -what if I have a pile of cash I can bring over , can I gift it to a joint account?

 

Thanks

JY

[Wuozopo 4,293]

7 hours ago, Johnny Yukon said:

Thanks.... the requirement is 37,712 - her currently salary until JAN20 is 32K - BUT has 35K in savings.

So is it better to just do that , understanding that 35K is divided by 3 to add to the 32K , or is it better to do combined incomes?

 

SUB QUESTION -what if I have a pile of cash I can bring over , can I gift it to a joint account?

 

Thanks

JY

 

$37,712 - $32,000 = $5,712 shortfall in salary.

She needs 3 times the shortfall in assets.

 

3 x $5712 = $17,136 in assets.

She has enough to sponsor on her own.

 

Edit: Forgot to say, a K1 only needs 100% of the poverty guidelines and you use the form I-134.

 

But she will have to meet 125% for adjustment of status and use the I-864 for that. She will have a raise by that time and you as her spouse can add your money to the household income as listed on her I-864. 

Edited December 3, 2019 by Wuozopo

[Wuozopo 4,293]

See https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrate/family-immigration/nonimmigrant-visa-for-a-fiance-k-1.html#9

 

Do the Same Income Requirements Apply to Form I-134 as Apply to Form I-864?

 

No. The 125 percent of the federal poverty guideline minimum income requirement, the most recent year's tax return, and other requirements only apply when Form I-864 is needed. Applicants presenting Form I-134 will need to show that their U.S. sponsor's income is 100 percent of the federal poverty guideline.

 

[Smokey Bear 71]

2 hours ago, Wuozopo said:

Edit: Forgot to say, a K1 only needs 100% of the poverty guidelines and you use the form I-134.

 

Please forgive me. I am just trying to stay ahead of the curve.

Assuming the HH of 5:

For the I-134 (which I present at interview) she only needs to show 100% (Currently $30,170) , but at the same time (at interview) we need to present the I-864 too, showing 125% (Currently $37712).

 

Sorry if I am confused, as all the sites and places I have read so far said 125% and the following is new info to me:

 

"No. The 125 percent of the federal poverty guideline minimum income requirement, the most recent year's tax return, and other requirements only apply when Form I-864 is needed. Applicants presenting Form I-134 will need to show that their U.S. sponsor's income is 100 percent of the federal poverty guideline. "

I appreciate all your replies whilst I prepare as best I can.

[Smokey Bear 71]

53 minutes ago, Johnny Yukon said:

but at the same time (at interview) we need to present the I-864 too, showing 125%

 

Sorry for the double post - I couldn't see how to edit my post......

Having read a bit more - only the I-134 is required for interview (plus the DS-160) but NOT the I-864.

 

Am I correct in stating the I-864 is needed after the marriage, (in USA) when applying for status adjustment and that AT THE POINT of interview only 100% poverty line is required to be proved (regardless of if we are well over that).

 

I am just trying to get it straight in my head to make the job as easy as I can for the officials by getting it right.

[Hank_ 9,174]

Most embassies use the 125% poverty guideline.

 

I-134 for the K-1 interview

 

I-864 with AOS later

[Smokey Bear 71]

23 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

Most embassies use the 125% poverty guideline.

 

 

Thanks, so regardless of the guidance stating 100% is required to be proved at interview stage, the embassy will still look for 125% regardless?

 

TIA.

[Hank_ 9,174]

Just now, Johnny Yukon said:

 

Thanks, so regardless of the guidance stating 100% is required to be proved at interview stage, the embassy will still look for 125% regardless?

 

TIA.

 

Very possible.  Like said it can vary with some embassies ... call to verify or just be prepared.    

 

You will need to cover the 125% amount once in the USA just the same.

[Smokey Bear 71]

Just now, Hank_ said:

call to verify or just be prepared.   

 

Oh, I can call them? OK - I'll do that. Good idea, I didn't think to do that.

It's a moot point in some ways as we meet 125%, but I just want to be prepared, know the facts and not get caught out.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[Hank_ 9,174]

1 minute ago, Johnny Yukon said:

 

Oh, I can call them? OK - I'll do that. Good idea, I didn't think to do that.

It's a moot point in some ways as we meet 125%, but I just want to be prepared, know the facts and not get caught out.

Thanks for the replies.

 

if you meet the 125% guidelines already it IS a MOOT point.   Move on ... find something more exciting to spend time on.    

[Smokey Bear 71]

Fair point, well made

[Hank_ 9,174]

1 hour ago, Johnny Yukon said:

Fair point, well made

 

Tennessee huh?     Small world    

 

Hills of Tennessee    

[Wuozopo 4,293]

1 hour ago, Johnny Yukon said:

 

Thanks, so regardless of the guidance stating 100% is required to be proved at interview stage, the embassy will still look for 125% regardless?

 

TIA.

Your K1 interview is In London. They have approved before on 100% which is why I mentioned it. It is not a difficult interview. They don't require multiple proofs of income. An employer letter by itself has gotten many approved. She could get an employer letter that states her current annual income is X and starting January 20 it will be Y. A tax return is an easy proof as well but not even required in London if you have other proofs.   Your fiancé can send a financial statement which shows her savings as a supplement to her proof of salary/income. You can bring a financial statement that shows your savings as well, just to further show the interviewer that it is not likely that you will become a public charge. On the I-134 it is a somewhat subjective decision by the interviewer. He just has to be convinced that you will not go on the dole once in the US. Her salary, her savings, and your savings will help convince him. Quite frankly, they often just look at the I-134 briefly and don't even talk about it much. 

 

1 hour ago, Johnny Yukon said:

 

Oh, I can call them? OK - I'll do that. Good idea, I didn't think to do that.

It's a moot point in some ways as we meet 125%, but I just want to be prepared, know the facts and not get caught out.

Thanks for the replies.

 

No, you can't call the Immigrant Visa Unit in London. They do not take phone calls. They aren't going to coach you over the phone on what to bring. They have a website you can view for K1 instructions. 

 https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/fiancee-2/applying-for-the-visa/

 

There is also a UK forum here on Visa Journey where you can discuss London specific questions.  

https://www.visajourney.com/forums/forum/99-united-kingdom/

Each embassy has slightly different procedures, so learning what people have to do in Manila or Paris won't necessarily prepare you for London.  

 

This is going to be a lot easier than you are imagining in your head right now.