Obama admin spent $36M on lawsuits to keep info secret

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Interesting 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-administration-spent-36m-on-records-lawsuits-last-year

[TBoneTX 46,127]

No surprise.

[laylalex 7,300]

Just a question (okay two questions): is this really a current event when the article is almost three years old? And do you think that it's possible that the "record number" is now outdone by the current administration? 

 

I actually know the answer to the second one already.  I'm just being a jerk. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

36 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Just a question (okay two questions): is this really a current event when the article is almost three years old? And do you think that it's possible that the "record number" is now outdone by the current administration? 

 

I actually know the answer to the second one already.  I'm just being a jerk. 

Yes and no.

[laylalex 7,300]

1 minute ago, ALFKAD said:

Yes and no.

So okay. If yes to the first one, why yes? And if no to the second one, you're not right. I can find the link again. 

[laylalex 7,300]

All I did was Google "Trump FOIA": https://apnews.com/714791d91d7944e49a284a51fab65b85

 

2018 figures but obviously 2019 isn't over yet to measure. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,382]

42 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Just a question (okay two questions): is this really a current event when the article is almost three years old? And do you think that it's possible that the "record number" is now outdone by the current administration? 

 

I actually know the answer to the second one already.  I'm just being a jerk. 

The group is called Current events AND Hot social topics

although My ex's drama and Alex might be added 

 

Just now, laylalex said:

All I did was Google "Trump FOIA": https://apnews.com/714791d91d7944e49a284a51fab65b85

 

2018 figures but obviously 2019 isn't over yet to measure. 

That article is approx 1.5 years old . Just saying 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Or Current Hot Events and Social Topics, if NB is abbreviating.

[laylalex 7,300]

Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

The group is called Current events AND Hot social topics

although My ex's drama and Alex might be added 

 

Alex's drama right now is that he is currently swearing very inventively while watching a depressing livestream of the St. Johnstone v. Motherwell match. Currently 3-0, Motherwell just scored another goal. Too early for this kind of emotion. 😖

[laylalex 7,300]

20 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

The group is called Current events AND Hot social topics

although My ex's drama and Alex might be added 

 

That article is approx 1.5 years old . Just saying 

How about this one?  8.5 months old, and the one I meant to post. https://qz.com/1572763/us-government-secrecy-at-all-time-high-under-trump/

 

No 2019 figures as I said.

 

Also this was a complete (strawberry) blonde brain fart moment posting the wrong link.  

 

 

Edited November 30, 2019 by laylalex
Greater precision on age of old article. :P

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

Just a question (okay two questions): is this really a current event when the article is almost three years old? And do you think that it's possible that the "record number" is now outdone by the current administration? 

 

I actually know the answer to the second one already.  I'm just being a jerk. 

 

  It wasn't a current event, but you just made it a hot social topic so it now qualifies as an official legitimate CEHST thread.

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

Just a question (okay two questions): is this really a current event when the article is almost three years old? And do you think that it's possible that the "record number" is now outdone by the current administration? 

 

I actually know the answer to the second one already.  I'm just being a jerk. 

There seems to be a run on recycling "news" in here.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

How about this one?  8.5 months old, and the one I meant to post. https://qz.com/1572763/us-government-secrecy-at-all-time-high-under-trump/

 

No 2019 figures as I said.

 

Also this was a complete (strawberry) blonde brain fart moment posting the wrong link.  

 

 

I miss the good ol' days of early 2017 when media didn't even need FOIA requests to concoct conspiracies to pretend is news, could just call up their bureau buddies and coordinate leaks with other outlets.

Edited November 30, 2019 by Burnt Reynolds

[laylalex 7,300]

41 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

I miss the good ol' days of early 2017 when media didn't even need FOIA requests to concoct conspiracies to pretend is news, could just call up their bureau buddies and coordinate leaks with other outlets.

What in particular are you thinking of?  

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 minutes ago, laylalex said:

What in particular are you thinking of?  

Glad you asked!

 

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

He can't say under oath whether or not something is true while investigating it, prejudging his own investigation, and thus destroying its legitimacy in fact-finding for the impending IG Report. It would be dumb and have consequences in any actual trial.

 

He succinctly said he believes there was not only spying, but coordinated leaks between these agencies and the media.

 

But nonetheless, your media has presented countless articles, utilizing their bureau connections to talk up spying on Trump, only to gaslight you and tell you it didn't happen. It's an excellent case study on how effective gaslighting is. Here's the evidence:

 

1) Jan 12, 2017: Carter Page FISA warrant (that everyone's been talking about for almost 3 years now):

 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts

 

2) Jan 12: 2017: Obama admin, after 8 years, decides in the last few weeks before handing over to the Trump admin to change information sharing rules at the same exact time a myriad of leaks happened (hence why I'm putting dates on these publications):

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more-latitude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html?platform=hootsuite

 

 

3) Jan 12, 2017: Thankfully after two (supposed) rejections, they finally got a FISA order granted against the Trump campaign. I wonder who Trump campaign associates communicate with. 🤔

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

 

 

4) Jan 18, 2017: McClatchy confirms BBC report about spying on Americans in the Trump campaign:

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article127231799.html

 

 

5) Jan 19, 2017 (day before inauguration): Several agencies wiretapped Trump campaign, provide data to WH, with the media right on it to report. 🤔

 

Also to note, they changed the headline of this article, likely after bureaus contacted them:

From:  "Wiretapped Data Used In Inquiry of Trump Aides"

To: "Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html

 

 

6) Feb 9, 2017: Spied on Trump campaign, provided sensitive spy info to media:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/national-security-adviser-flynn-discussed-sanctions-with-russian-ambassador-despite-denials-officials-say/2017/02/09/f85b29d6-ee11-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html

 

 

7) Feb 10, 2017: Bureau person leaks info on Trump campaign people being spied on in conversations:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/10/us-official-confirms-trump-advisor-flynn-talked-sanctions-with-russian-ambassador-before-inauguration-nbc.html

 

8 ) Feb 13: 2017: DOJ warns Trump admin about the results of them spying on their campaign (clearly to give the impression of transparency😞

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/59644838458b43b8a81de720698a71f6/latest-trump-evaluating-flynn-russia-situation

 

 

9) Feb 14, 2019: Media talks about bureau spying on Trump campaign people in December, which not only occurred, for them to have that data to publish, but to clearly have a relationship with these leaking bureau people to be given it in the first place.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/14/media/michael-flynn-investigative-journalism/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a conspiracy! That bad orange man and his need for conspiracies.

 

This thread is proof why the media does their gaslighting. They can sit there and prove it happened, and then turn around and say it didn't happen, with their readers not even remotely utilizing critical thinking, just eating up the real conspiracy narrative (didn't happen, Trump-Russia collusion, etc.) instead. Results. I'm a capitalist so I absolutely don't mind the mindscrewing they're doing to the left, because they're such amusing fervent/willful participants to this sham, but I'm also a human and feel slightly bad.