WATCH LIVE! Elon Musk presents the new Tesla Cybertruck Launch

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

42 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

The key to the hybrids is getting the price point down. The new highlander xle hybrid is supposed to be almost the same msrp as the regular.

I never thought paying 5 or 6k more for a prius over a corolla made sense 

So true! Especially of used hybrids. Naturally dealers, when selling a vehicle that has a trim that has hybrid and non-hybrid packages, will price the hybrid higher, but in many cases, they will actually price them the same, particularly if their lot is getting too full of used cars and they need to turn inventory. In this scenario, if we assume most other things are the same, it makes far more sense economically to get the hybrid, even in this climate, never mind a warmer one where it's a no-brainer. 

 

Also, I was always a car type of person, but ever since moving to Canada, where I've gotten stuck our neighborhood from snow accumulation in a car, I've owned trucks and SUVs for the first time ever, and as a result, being spoiled from the room, the height (being able to see over traffic, enabling me weave better), and being able to navigate over crappy roads with ease, I don't think I can ever go back to a regular car.

Edited November 22, 2019 by Burnt Reynolds

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8 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

It doesn't.   Many years ago, I had a Honda Accord V6.  My neighbor bought the exact same model and color, except hybrid.  We ran a spreadsheet comparing numbers, and determined that it would take him about 7.5~8 years to break even once you considered his higher purchase price.  We even bought our gas from the same store to run the experiment.

 

So for about 2 years, he would come out ahead.  Until those batteries needed to be replaced, and then mine would jump ahead again.

 

One of these days...

You are korrect I think I ran the numbers one time and you would have to drive over 100K to get your money back. If they are very close in price it makes more sense. The Hybrids are actually more reliable now than non hybrids.

 

It was the last day of the month and we needed 1 more to hit our number. I got a great deal.  Still not sure I should not have gotten the non hybrid. 

 

Now when I can get a Tundra that is getting 30. I am in if the price is not thru the roof

Edited November 22, 2019 by Nature Boy 2.0

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5 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

It doesn't.   Many years ago, I had a Honda Accord V6.  My neighbor bought the exact same model and color, except hybrid.  We ran a spreadsheet comparing numbers, and determined that it would take him about 7.5~8 years to break even once you considered his higher purchase price.  We even bought our gas from the same store to run the experiment.

 

So for about 2 years, he would come out ahead.  Until those batteries needed to be replaced, and then mine would jump ahead again.

 

One of these days...

Honestly, there's little justification for warrantying their batteries for so little. I imagine as CSR continues to push on companies to where the bad PR (negative ramifications concerning disposal of batteries, vehicle/part accumulation, negative views toward planned obsolescence) starts driving a re-evaluation of cost-benefit, those warranties will push up, and as a result, people will stop keeping themselves in this lazy indefinite payment system of cycling through new vehicles through warranty and getting rid of them after.

 

It's going to doubly hurt companies because electric vehicles need less maintenance, the technology itself is so much more efficient and lasts longer, meaning less cars are going to be sold/turned. From a sustainability standpoint its fantastic. From an idea that "EPS/GDP/GNP=end all, be all", it'll be bad.

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48 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Honestly, there's little justification for warrantying their batteries for so little. I imagine as CSR continues to push on companies to where the bad PR (negative ramifications concerning disposal of batteries, vehicle/part accumulation, negative views toward planned obsolescence) starts driving a re-evaluation of cost-benefit, those warranties will push up, and as a result, people will stop keeping themselves in this lazy indefinite payment system of cycling through new vehicles through warranty and getting rid of them after.

 

It's going to doubly hurt companies because electric vehicles need less maintenance, the technology itself is so much more efficient and lasts longer, meaning less cars are going to be sold/turned. From a sustainability standpoint its fantastic. From an idea that "EPS/GDP/GNP=end all, be all", it'll be bad.

I think a 10 year 150K warranty on batteries is pretty strong.

I got in the car business very late in life. I was an industrial manager/ reserve officer most of my life.

 

It took me a while to get used to the idea that consumers to stuff that does not make sense. 

-Financing cars 6 and 7 years

- Payment buyers.. That really took some getting used to

- People that trade frequently with no money down and get as much as 25 to 30k neg equity

-People that dont look at residual values on Vehicles that dont plan to drive them until the wheels fall off

 

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2 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Not much in practice, primarily because virtually no one uses it for more than a few minutes at most, there's no reason to use it besides those times you want to show off, or if you live in a boring city like Calgary and have no theme parks with rollercoasters so this is basically your equivalent of a thrill ride. 😂

 

 

I agree, acceleration performance pretty much is pointless, but they love to use that feature as a selling point.

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I have nothing against EV, this however strikes me as a poser truck, often see them around here in the Summer usually with Texas plates, 2WD and massive wheels and hardly any rubber.

 

What could you get into the back of that, that ATV seemed tiny.

 

With a 15,000lb tow probably need a CDL.

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Just now, Boiler said:

I have nothing against EV, this however strikes me as a poser truck, often see them around here in the Summer usually with Texas plates, 2WD and massive wheels and hardly any rubber.

 

What could you get into the back of that, that ATV seemed tiny.

 

With a 15,000lb tow probably need a CDL.

Na Tow capacity has nothing to with licence class I thinks its more GVW and wheels. LuckyTX could probably elaborate more.

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I think it varies by State, I have a friend with a 3/4 ton and a Bobcat who knows he is on dodgy ground, his mechanic suggested getting a DoT number? as the cops are likely to give him a pass on the CDL.

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Now when I can get a Tundra that is getting 30. I am in if the price is not thru the roof

Is that 30 hwy, or 30 city?

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11 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Na Tow capacity has nothing to with licence class I thinks its more GVW and wheels. LuckyTX could probably elaborate more.

You are correct.  Furthermore, it depends on the state where it is registered. A 43 foot motorhome that doesn't require a CDL in AL does in TX. But because it is registered in AL, you can drive it in TX without a CDL.

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26 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I agree, acceleration performance pretty much is pointless, but they love to use that feature as a selling point.

Even without ludicrous mode on, most EVs still get 0-60 in 3-5 seconds, which is already beyond overkill. Our hybrid SUV.. I dunno, I get bored trying to time it. 15-20 seconds? 

 

The point is, that kind of efficient power delivery is inspiring, but I'm abnormally excited by it.

 

Looking at the comments from these videos about the Cybertruck, a lot of people I think put too much thought into the aesthetics of the vehicle. The rest of society isn't the one driving the vehicle or paying for the gas, just the person/people who own it, so for me it makes little sense to care what others think.

Edited November 22, 2019 by Burnt Reynolds

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5 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Even without ludicrous mode on, most EVs still get 0-60 in 3-5 seconds, which is already beyond overkill. Our hybrid SUV.. I dunno, I get bored trying to time it. 15-20 seconds? 

 

The point is, that kind of efficient power delivery is inspiring, but I'm abnormally excited by it.

 

Looking at the comments from these videos about the Cybertruck, a lot of people I think put too much thought into the aesthetics of the vehicle. The rest of society isn't the one driving the vehicle or paying for the gas, just the person/people who own it, so for me it makes little sense to care what others think.

Honestly, I did not think they put much thought at all into the aesthetics.  It is much easier to draw straight lines on the tubes I suppose.    But of course that is a matter of opinion.  One thing I thought was interesting is that the promo said this truck would sit six, will it have a bench seat in the front?  I am also curious as to the headroom in the rear with that sloping roofline.

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19 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Is that 30 hwy, or 30 city?

I am guessing HWY. Of course hybrids are supposed to do better in the city. Its all 2nd hand info right now. The rep really did not want to commit on info, but acknowledged my info was what he heard.

 

As a note I have always gotten better on the hwy with my Hybrids

27 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I think it varies by State, I have a friend with a 3/4 ton and a Bobcat who knows he is on dodgy ground, his mechanic suggested getting a DoT number? as the cops are likely to give him a pass on the CDL.

ahh ok. Makes sense 

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Hybrids definitely do better in the city, particularly with congestion, stop and go traffic, etc. The electric engine kicks on at slower speeds, or when at a stop, taking stress off gas. Then kinetic energy from braking recharges it to be used for future electric engine hybrid assist. This cycle is basically fueled entirely by city driving. When on the highway, braking is used less, so doesn't recharge hybrid battery much, so basically all ICE mileage, which is why hwy mileage closely resembles non-hybrid versions.

Edited November 22, 2019 by Burnt Reynolds