Exclusive: FBI official under investigation after allegedly altering document in 2016 Russia probe

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html

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55 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html

Quite a few corrupt officials seem to be coming out of the Obama administration geared to making sure Hillary won the election. Too bad trump won huh?

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1 hour ago, luckytxn said:

Quite a few corrupt officials seem to be coming out of the Obama administration geared to making sure Hillary won the election. Too bad trump won huh?

Many of these people were also those in the primaries vouching for Jeb, for Kasich, Rubio..

 

They are not necessarily for a "party", although because Trump has sudden clout over the Republican Party, you're seeing them flock to Democrats, still, it would be a mistake to pretend this is merely about Obama or Dems, when many of these people have been in the bureaus for decades, under several Republican Presidents. Obama did not facilitate this corrupt behavior, although he clearly accepted worked around it.

 

For the sake of correctly identifying them, they are part of a "swamp", "elite", "permanent Washington", whatever word might help people understand the connections-based group of elite that permeate both parties, all three branches of the federal government, particularly the bureaus, the media, and so on. They are likely not "party" oriented, more like oriented toward those who would further perpetuate their own power, influence, and position, along with perpetuate the environment that helps facilitate it. 

 

If we take the dossier, notice how the dossier spread through numerous people that were Republicans in Congress (i.e. McCain), in the bureaus while also parts of prior Bush administrations, or even Reagan administration. It's not a coincidence. It would be naive to think that this sort of corruption we're seeing goes away by going after Democrats. Once you understand this farce, you hopefully then realize that this investigation is also likely a farce, and should be treated as such until proven otherwise. These people find themselves losing the grip on the Presidency they had for decades, losing their grip on policy, thus this wide and convoluted connections based relationship is starting to fall apart, thanks to Trump, so this group of elite are using their wide swath of partnerships that largely control people and narratives to sow discord. If they can't directly get rid of Trump, they'll bombard him with investigations, if they can't charge him with a crime or impeach+remove, they'll just go after everyone in his cabinet that isn't part of this elite (notice how those people almost never get confirmed by the Republican Senate), bankrupt and harass them endlessly until they gtfo and away from Trump+the executive branch, continue investigations endlessly with their buddies in a negative PR blitz in hopes that the incessant negativity (without regard to how logical these things are) affects future elections to bring things back to "normal" for them. 

 

If people really want to understand what's going on, they need to start invoking higher level thinking their first instinct being "its Obama/Dems" or "its Trump/GOP".

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19 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Many of these people were also those in the primaries vouching for Jeb, for Kasich, Rubio..

 

They are not necessarily for a "party", although because Trump has sudden clout over the Republican Party, you're seeing them flock to Democrats, still, it would be a mistake to pretend this is merely about Obama or Dems, when many of these people have been in the bureaus for decades, under several Republican Presidents. Obama did not facilitate this corrupt behavior, although he clearly accepted worked around it.

 

For the sake of correctly identifying them, they are part of a "swamp", "elite", "permanent Washington", whatever word might help people understand the connections-based group of elite that permeate both parties, all three branches of the federal government, particularly the bureaus, the media, and so on. They are likely not "party" oriented, more like oriented toward those who would further perpetuate their own power, influence, and position, along with perpetuate the environment that helps facilitate it. 

 

If we take the dossier, notice how the dossier spread through numerous people that were Republicans in Congress (i.e. McCain), in the bureaus while also parts of prior Bush administrations, or even Reagan administration. It's not a coincidence. It would be naive to think that this sort of corruption we're seeing goes away by going after Democrats. Once you understand this farce, you hopefully then realize that this investigation is also likely a farce, and should be treated as such until proven otherwise. These people find themselves losing the grip on the Presidency they had for decades, losing their grip on policy, thus this wide and convoluted connections based relationship is starting to fall apart, thanks to Trump, so this group of elite are using their wide swath of partnerships that largely control people and narratives to sow discord. If they can't directly get rid of Trump, they'll bombard him with investigations, if they can't charge him with a crime or impeach+remove, they'll just go after everyone in his cabinet that isn't part of this elite (notice how those people almost never get confirmed by the Republican Senate), bankrupt and harass them endlessly until they gtfo and away from Trump+the executive branch, continue investigations endlessly with their buddies in a negative PR blitz in hopes that the incessant negativity (without regard to how logical these things are) affects future elections to bring things back to "normal" for them. 

 

If people really want to understand what's going on, they need to start invoking higher level thinking their first instinct being "its Obama/Dems" or "its Trump/GOP".

Sorry I only read one novel per day so need an abridged version or wait till I get a new quota tomorrow to try to digest this.

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23 minutes ago, luckytxn said:

Sorry I only read one novel per day so need an abridged version or wait till I get a new quota tomorrow to try to digest this.

"Its over my head" will suffice.

 

Pretending you have difficulty reading 400 word novels (which only exist as toddler books) isn't a good angle. 

Edited November 22, 2019 by Burnt Reynolds

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13 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

"Its over my head" will suffice.

 

Pretending you have difficulty reading 400 word novels (which only exist as toddler books) isn't a good angle. 

Tex needs the Louis L'amour version.

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Horowitz reportedly finds FBI lawyer falsified FISA doc; WaPo stealth-deletes Strzok connection

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/horowitz-finds-evidence-fbi-employee-altered-russia-probe-document

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9 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Many of these people were also those in the primaries vouching for Jeb, for Kasich, Rubio..

 

They are not necessarily for a "party", although because Trump has sudden clout over the Republican Party, you're seeing them flock to Democrats, still, it would be a mistake to pretend this is merely about Obama or Dems, when many of these people have been in the bureaus for decades, under several Republican Presidents. Obama did not facilitate this corrupt behavior, although he clearly accepted worked around it.

 

For the sake of correctly identifying them, they are part of a "swamp", "elite", "permanent Washington", whatever word might help people understand the connections-based group of elite that permeate both parties, all three branches of the federal government, particularly the bureaus, the media, and so on. They are likely not "party" oriented, more like oriented toward those who would further perpetuate their own power, influence, and position, along with perpetuate the environment that helps facilitate it. 

 

If we take the dossier, notice how the dossier spread through numerous people that were Republicans in Congress (i.e. McCain), in the bureaus while also parts of prior Bush administrations, or even Reagan administration. It's not a coincidence. It would be naive to think that this sort of corruption we're seeing goes away by going after Democrats. Once you understand this farce, you hopefully then realize that this investigation is also likely a farce, and should be treated as such until proven otherwise. These people find themselves losing the grip on the Presidency they had for decades, losing their grip on policy, thus this wide and convoluted connections based relationship is starting to fall apart, thanks to Trump, so this group of elite are using their wide swath of partnerships that largely control people and narratives to sow discord. If they can't directly get rid of Trump, they'll bombard him with investigations, if they can't charge him with a crime or impeach+remove, they'll just go after everyone in his cabinet that isn't part of this elite (notice how those people almost never get confirmed by the Republican Senate), bankrupt and harass them endlessly until they gtfo and away from Trump+the executive branch, continue investigations endlessly with their buddies in a negative PR blitz in hopes that the incessant negativity (without regard to how logical these things are) affects future elections to bring things back to "normal" for them. 

 

If people really want to understand what's going on, they need to start invoking higher level thinking their first instinct being "its Obama/Dems" or "its Trump/GOP".

I agree that these folks do not necessarily favor a party, but they are certainly political, and as we have seen from the subset of career bureaucrats that testified this week, they have big egos and an unhealthy sense of self-importance.  No one has been talking about Fiona Hills testimony (primarily since it really did not tell us anything of fact), but she certainly has a very high opinion of herself and quite frankly is a pompous a__.  Since the Washington insider contingent of both parties have embraced the big spending necessary to maintain and grow the bureaucracy they are generally accepted regardless of party, but now that the hoi polloi threw a wrench into their plans a little, they (the hoi polloi) must be tamped down.  I don't know what will come out of the investigations by Horowitz, and Durham.  I am hopeful, considering how blatant it appears based on the messages from the likes of Strzok et. al., but I don't think the government monster will be hardly scratched in the end. 

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I agree that these folks do not necessarily favor a party, but they are certainly political, and as we have seen from the subset of career bureaucrats that testified this week, they have big egos and an unhealthy sense of self-importance.  No one has been talking about Fiona Hills testimony (primarily since it really did not tell us anything of fact), but she certainly has a very high opinion of herself and quite frankly is a pompous a__.  Since the Washington insider contingent of both parties have embraced the big spending necessary to maintain and grow the bureaucracy they are generally accepted regardless of party, but now that the hoi polloi threw a wrench into their plans a little, they (the hoi polloi) must be tamped down.  I don't know what will come out of the investigations by Horowitz, and Durham.  I am hopeful, considering how blatant it appears based on the messages from the likes of Strzok et. al., but I don't think the government monster will be hardly scratched in the end. 

When someone says there's no such thing as a punchable accent, that's when you stick a Fiona Hill type of Brit in front of them. She could test the patience of drying paint.

Edited November 22, 2019 by Burnt Reynolds

[luckytxn 2,265]

16 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

"Its over my head" will suffice.

 

Pretending you have difficulty reading 400 word novels (which only exist as toddler books) isn't a good angle. 

Ho hum. Here comes...

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FISA alterations Could Pose Significant Trouble For FBI: Fruit Of The Poisonous Tree
 

By

 Sara Carter

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November 25, 2019
 

 

Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s anticipated report will reveal that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Application warrant was tampered with but the significance of that cannot be understated. It means that Horowitz’s discovery will discredit the bureau’s handling of its investigation into President Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia during the 2016 presidential election and it could make any information discovered during the course of seeking approval for the FISA and after ‘fruit of the poisonous tree,” according to numerous sources who spoke to SaraACarter.com.

“Based on what we know, Clinesmith’s tampering of documents appears to have been significant enough to have played a role in the FISA courts decision to grant a warrant to spy on an American, maybe more than one American,” said a U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter. “There is concern among the FBI that all the evidence will come into question, as it should – particularly the case of the ‘fruit of the poisonous tree’ that the evidence itself is tainted – if that’s true than anything gained from that evidence might also be tainted. This could be a problem for anyone who approved the FISA as well.”

 

 

What we now know is that FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith, allegedly altered an email that FBI officials used to prepare to seek court approval to renew the wiretaps on former Trump campaign advisor Carter Page, as first reported by the New York Times and verified by SaraACarter.com. The extent of the alterations in the FISA application is still unknown but it was significant enough for Horowitz to refer Clinesmith to Connecticut Federal Prosecutor John Durham, who was appointed by Attorney General William Barr to investigate the origins of the FBI’s handling of the probe. Durham’s probe has also expanded to the CIA, of which he has interviewed numerous officers and the Pentagon’s Office of Net Assessment, which paid FBI confidential informant Stephan Halper to collect information on several Trump campaign advisors, as first reported by this new site.

 

https://saraacarter.com/fisa-alterations-could-pose-significant-trouble-for-fbi-fruit-of-the-poisonous-tree/

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Tip of the iceberg.  Go Durham!