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PUBLISHED WED, NOV 20 20198:51 AM ESTUPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
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  • In stunning testimony, U.S. Ambassador Gordon Sondland tells the House impeachment hearing that President Trump directed his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to pursue a “quid pro quo” with Ukraine.
  • “Mr. Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit” for Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Sondland says.
  • “Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the President of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the President,” he adds.https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/20/trump-ordered-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-through-giuliani-key-witness-sondland-testifies.html

 

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PUBLISHED WED, NOV 20 20198:51 AM ESTUPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
KEY POINTS
  • In stunning testimony, U.S. Ambassador Gordon Sondland tells the House impeachment hearing that President Trump directed his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to pursue a “quid pro quo” with Ukraine.
  • “Mr. Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit” for Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Sondland says.
  • “Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the President of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the President,” he adds.https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/20/trump-ordered-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-through-giuliani-key-witness-sondland-testifies.html

 

Odd I listened to most of it... It went like this. It was my feeling that it was expected although I had no  knowledge. I did however talk to Trump about it and he made it perfectly clear he didn't expect anything

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15 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Odd I listened to most of it... It went like this. It was my feeling that it was expected although I had no  knowledge. I did however talk to Trump about it and he made it perfectly clear he didn't expect anything

Hmm I didn't see it, are the quotes above out of context?

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1 minute ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Hmm I didn't see it, are the quotes above out of context?

No, but they left out the part where it was all opinion and assumption.  The actual exculpatory testimony where Sondland actually talked to President Trump, it was made very clear no conditions were expected.  Then of course the Ukraine got the aid, as well as a meeting without making any statements of starting an investigation.  It was interesting though that in a 23 page opening statement by Sondland, he left out the exculpatory statement.

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14 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

No, but they left out the part where it was all opinion and assumption.  The actual exculpatory testimony where Sondland actually talked to President Trump, it was made very clear no conditions were expected.  Then of course the Ukraine got the aid, as well as a meeting without making any statements of starting an investigation.  It was interesting though that in a 23 page opening statement by Sondland, he left out the exculpatory statement.

Doesn't "left out the part"  = missing context?

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Doesn't "left out the part"  = missing context?

Yes

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31 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Do you have the verbatim that you feels "exculpates?" the President?

Sondland did recall that at one point he asked Trump what he wants from Ukraine.

 

"He just said, 'I want nothing, I want nothing, I want no quid pro quo,'" Sondland recalled.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sondland-gets-a-laugh-confirming-salty-phone-call-with-trump-sounds-like-something-i-would-say

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44 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Sondland did recall that at one point he asked Trump what he wants from Ukraine.

 

"He just said, 'I want nothing, I want nothing, I want no quid pro quo,'" Sondland recalled.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sondland-gets-a-laugh-confirming-salty-phone-call-with-trump-sounds-like-something-i-would-say

I know a man back home who committed insurance fraud. He had a weak rationale that showed how his father had been treated badly by another insurance and shorted his father years ago. He would say, I don't want to cheat the insurance company, I just want what's mine.

 

He could call it whatever he wants, it was still fraud. That is how laws work.

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7 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I know a man back home who committed insurance fraud. He had a weak rationale that showed how his father had been treated badly by another insurance and shorted his father years ago. He would say, I don't want to cheat the insurance company, I just want what's mine.

 

He could call it whatever he wants, it was still fraud. That is how laws work.

Do what LOl.. 

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After watching the testimony today and reading the absurd reporting, I am convinced the swamp and state are deeper than I dreamed possible 

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29 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

After watching the testimony today and reading the absurd reporting, I am convinced the swamp and state are deeper than I dreamed possible 

That is one interpretation of the events.

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2 hours ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I know a man back home who committed insurance fraud. He had a weak rationale that showed how his father had been treated badly by another insurance and shorted his father years ago. He would say, I don't want to cheat the insurance company, I just want what's mine.

 

He could call it whatever he wants, it was still fraud. That is how laws work.

You must be seeing the testimony from an alternate universe.  Sondland CLEARLY said the president didn't want anything from Ukraine, and that it was his (Sondland's) presumption that there was any wrongdoing at all.  He exonerated Trump.

 

"Nobody on this planet told you that Donald Trump was withholding aid to Ukraine unless there were investigations, is that correct?"

 

"Yes."

 

 

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