Supreme Court temporarily blocks release of Trump tax returns

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

On 11/20/2019 at 12:18 PM, boris64 said:

Side boobs at the very least.

It depends. (Classic lawyer answer, I know.) AOC sideboob, maybe. Devin Nunes sideboob, no.

[90DayFinancier 910]

25 minutes ago, elmcitymaven said:

It depends. (Classic lawyer answer, I know.) AOC sideboob, maybe. Devin Nunes sideboob, no.

Where is the "threw up in my mouth" emoticon?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

2 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Where is the "threw up in my mouth" emoticon?

🤢

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

America does not need to see the tax returns of a billionaire who became a public servant.

 

America needs to see the tax returns of career public servants who became millionaires while being public servants.

[Dashinka 24,514]

9 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

America does not need to see the tax returns of a billionaire who became a public servant.

 

America needs to see the tax returns of career public servants who became millionaires while being public servants.

Don’t forget their corporate and non-profit filings, not just their personal vanilla returns.

[laylalex 7,289]

Why should we not know if our highest ranking public servant is financially compromised? Why is transparency that was good enough for every president over the past 40 years suddenly suspended? Imagine if there were no investigations, no civil actions, no criminal cases, just for one moment, all the "presidential harassment" (lol). Why would he not disclose if the others have, in the interests of good government and accountability to the people?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

Just now, laylalex said:

Why should we not know if our highest ranking public servant is financially compromised? Why is transparency that was good enough for every president over the past 40 years suddenly suspended? Imagine if there were no investigations, no civil actions, no criminal cases, just for one moment, all the "presidential harassment" (lol). Why would he not disclose if the others have, in the interests of good government and accountability to the people?

Because its his right not to make his personal information public just like it is yours. Enough people agreed with him to elect him.

[laylalex 7,289]

6 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Because its his right not to make his personal information public just like it is yours. Enough people agreed with him to elect him.

With all due respect, Nature Boy, that's not really an answer to any of the questions I posed. I'll ask them again.

 

(1) Why should we not know if our highest ranking public servant is financially compromised?

(2) Why is transparency that was good enough for every president over the past 40 years suddenly suspended?

(3) Why would he not disclose if the others have in the interests of good government and accountability to the people?

 

The President is our employee. But he is also in charge of so many things that affect our day to day lives. We put a lot of trust in him. Other presidents have understood that as part of the contract between the president and the People, that showing their financials is part of earning the public trust. Why is this man so special that he gets to kick norms to the curb, norms that increase public trust?

[90DayFinancier 910]

5 minutes ago, laylalex said:

With all due respect, Nature Boy, that's not really an answer to any of the questions I posed. I'll ask them again.

 

(1) Why should we not know if our highest ranking public servant is financially compromised?

(2) Why is transparency that was good enough for every president over the past 40 years suddenly suspended?

(3) Why would he not disclose if the others have in the interests of good government and accountability to the people?

 

The President is our employee. But he is also in charge of so many things that affect our day to day lives. We put a lot of trust in him. Other presidents have understood that as part of the contract between the president and the People, that showing their financials is part of earning the public trust. Why is this man so special that he gets to kick norms to the curb, norms that increase public trust?

No he is your Royal Highness.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

13 minutes ago, laylalex said:

With all due respect, Nature Boy, that's not really an answer to any of the questions I posed. I'll ask them again.

 

(1) Why should we not know if our highest ranking public servant is financially compromised?

(2) Why is transparency that was good enough for every president over the past 40 years suddenly suspended?

(3) Why would he not disclose if the others have in the interests of good government and accountability to the people?

 

The President is our employee. But he is also in charge of so many things that affect our day to day lives. We put a lot of trust in him. Other presidents have understood that as part of the contract between the president and the People, that showing their financials is part of earning the public trust. Why is this man so special that he gets to kick norms to the curb, norms that increase public trust?

Because we are a nation of laws, and no law requires him to do it. Those 3 questions were poised during the election and enough people did not care, so he got elected president.

 

Trump is donating his salary to charity. This does not mean the next president has to.

 

It has only become a campaign gimmick in the last 40 years. Started by.. Um cough wink Richard Nixon. we all know how that turned out  During the vast majority of our history, Presidents did not disclose their personal finances 

Edited November 26, 2019 by Nature Boy 2.0

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 hours ago, laylalex said:

With all due respect, Nature Boy, that's not really an answer to any of the questions I posed. I'll ask them again.

 

(1) Why should we not know if our highest ranking public servant is financially compromised?

(2) Why is transparency that was good enough for every president over the past 40 years suddenly suspended?

(3) Why would he not disclose if the others have in the interests of good government and accountability to the people?

 

The President is our employee. But he is also in charge of so many things that affect our day to day lives. We put a lot of trust in him. Other presidents have understood that as part of the contract between the president and the People, that showing their financials is part of earning the public trust. Why is this man so special that he gets to kick norms to the curb, norms that increase public trust?

1) You already do know.  Don’t you think the FBI and IRS have looked into Trump quite a lot better than you or I could?

 

As you say, others have disclosed their returns.  Are YOU willing to post your returns here on VJ for us to review them?  Why not?

 

Why do you care about seeing his returns?  Did you look at Obama’s?  Clinton’s?  Bush’s?  I know I did not.  Didn’t care.  If Trump can pass muster with the IRS, and all the audits he has undergone over the years, I don’t see why his disclosing them would matter to anyone.  As NB said... he was hired of the job even without them.

 

Now, if you want to talk about returns... I would LOVE to see Pelosi’s and Warren’s returns for the last 20 years.  How to people making around $200,000 a year as a “public servant” have net worths of around $120,000?  In case you don’t maff well, 120 million divided by 220,000 is 545. That’s 545 years worth of saving one’s entire gross salary to accumulate 120,000,000.  She is 79 years old.  Giving up the first 5 years as the “learning years” leaves 75 years.  Or about $1,600,000 per year averaged out.  Now, some investing would clearly reduce the number of years needed, but if you ask me, something is kinda stanky in Denmark here.

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, ALFKAD said:

1) You already do know.  Don’t you think the FBI and IRS have looked into Trump quite a lot better than you or I could?

 

As you say, others have disclosed their returns.  Are YOU willing to post your returns here on VJ for us to review them?  Why not?

 

Why do you care about seeing his returns?  Did you look at Obama’s?  Clinton’s?  Bush’s?  I know I did not.  Didn’t care.  If Trump can pass muster with the IRS, and all the audits he has undergone over the years, I don’t see why his disclosing them would matter to anyone.  As NB said... he was hired of the job even without them.

 

Now, if you want to talk about returns... I would LOVE to see Pelosi’s and Warren’s returns for the last 20 years.  How to people making around $200,000 a year as a “public servant” have net worths of around $120,000?  In case you don’t maff well, 120 million divided by 220,000 is 545. That’s 545 years worth of saving one’s entire gross salary to accumulate 120,000,000.  She is 79 years old.  Giving up the first 5 years as the “learning years” leaves 75 years.  Or about $1,600,000 per year averaged out.  Now, some investing would clearly reduce the number of years needed, but if you ask me, something is kinda stanky in Denmark here.

She wasn't talking to you.

[laylalex 7,289]

Sorry, are we talking about net worth of $120k or $120m? I see both mentioned in your post. Anyway, her net worth is neither of these. It's $26m, mostly in real estate. Really no biggie for a boomer in California who has been investing well since the 70s and 80s in real estate. My parents are paper millionaires because the house they bought in 1990 appreciated by well over a million dollars. It happens here in California, it's obscene and not right, but it's kind of how it is. I am renting again, but once we get our feet on the ground in SoCal we're buying again. The market is starting to show signs of softening again here, and as my friend Jonny, a real estate attorney and broker says, when there's blood on the streets, there's green to be made in property. Al scents the signs of downturn next year, maybe in the spring. So we'll rent until the market is weak and we can buy a few places. "Safe as houses" he says and I agree.

 

I don't do the maffs here, I leave that to the nerd I live with.

[90DayFinancier 910]

24 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Sorry, are we talking about net worth of $120k or $120m? I see both mentioned in your post. Anyway, her net worth is neither of these. It's $26m, mostly in real estate. Really no biggie for a boomer in California who has been investing well since the 70s and 80s in real estate. My parents are paper millionaires because the house they bought in 1990 appreciated by well over a million dollars. It happens here in California, it's obscene and not right, but it's kind of how it is. I am renting again, but once we get our feet on the ground in SoCal we're buying again. The market is starting to show signs of softening again here, and as my friend Jonny, a real estate attorney and broker says, when there's blood on the streets, there's green to be made in property. Al scents the signs of downturn next year, maybe in the spring. So we'll rent until the market is weak and we can buy a few places. "Safe as houses" he says and I agree.

 

I don't do the maffs here, I leave that to the nerd I live with.

And you gave us the impression you can were naive. 

[luckytxn 2,264]

19 hours ago, laylalex said:

Why should we not know if our highest ranking public servant is financially compromised? Why is transparency that was good enough for every president over the past 40 years suddenly suspended? Imagine if there were no investigations, no civil actions, no criminal cases, just for one moment, all the "presidential harassment" (lol). Why would he not disclose if the others have, in the interests of good government and accountability to the people?

Because he is a successful businessman that has interests worldwide and releasing the info can harm his business interests. His business interests are also under an IRS audit continuously and he has to have protection due to that as all Americans have to. The past 40 years there has not been a Billionaire business mogul as POTUS. Usually it has been an elite politician to ascend the throne so releasing their tax returns mean nothing as they have the deep state to protect their interests as the elitist will protect them. The accountability he has to the public is to serve us in the fashion we have elected him to.

Edited November 27, 2019 by luckytxn
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