US-born Alabama woman who joined ISIS is not an American citizen, judge rules

[Steeleballz 7,550]

17 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

When she took up arms with a terrorist organization against the US, she lost all her US rights.

 

   A natural born US citizen cannot lose US citizenship or the rights that go with it. Even for acts of terrorism that can not happen. US citizenship can only be voluntarily renounced.

 

  The ruling in this case centers on the fact that she did not ever have rights to US citizenship in the first place. The fact that she was a terrorist did not affect the judges decision. If all she had ever done was get cited with a parking ticket it would have been the same result. Either she was born a USC or she was not. Nothing she did afterwords (except renouncement) would change that.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

15 hours ago, laylalex said:

I am not so sure that's the legal issue here. Maybe there's a moral issue, but it seems to be whether she was an American to begin with. 

 

  If she had not joined a terrorist organization, it probably would not have ever came up, and no one would have known any different. 

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

7 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   A natural born US citizen cannot lose US citizenship or the rights that go with it. Even for acts of terrorism that can not happen. US citizenship can only be voluntarily renounced.

 

  The ruling in this case centers on the fact that she did not ever have rights to US citizenship in the first place. The fact that she was a terrorist did not affect the judges decision. If all she had ever done was get cited with a parking ticket it would have been the same result. Either she was born a USC or she was not. Nothing she did afterwords (except renouncement) would change that.

Correct, as least as far as I'm aware. Until the determination was made by this judge, given the very strange circumstances surrounding the father's status at the time of her birth, she was something of a Schroedinger's Citizen -- apparently both a citizen and yet not a citizen. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

20 hours ago, elmcitymaven said:

Correct, as least as far as I'm aware. Until the determination was made by this judge, given the very strange circumstances surrounding the father's status at the time of her birth, she was something of a Schroedinger's Citizen -- apparently both a citizen and yet not a citizen. 

 

   That was pretty cool. I'm definitely going to steal that.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

On 11/16/2019 at 5:36 AM, Bill & Katya said:

I think the legal issue is whether she was ever a USC to begin with.  So far, it appears the courts are saying no.  As to a moral issue, well, that should be left to her family.

It's quite an exceptional circumstance. Nonetheless, erroneously giving someone birthright citizenship is still an error and should be rectified. They are not legally entitled to citizenship. The US government might have had more sympathy if this was a good person, and maybe interpreted the date based on intent, but given her actions as a terrorist, soliciting people to kill Americans and the President of the USA (Obama), she deserves no leniency nor sympathy. Have fun with ISIS.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Burnt Reynolds

[TBoneTX 46,127]

But was she a tortfeasor?