Proving false claim to be USC

[HRQX 4,145]

Further examples of how much info is available to DHS:

• https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1711514.html
• https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1595158.html
• https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-4th-circuit/1684948.html

[geowrian 22,337]

Material misrepresentation is a waivable, permanent bar.

False claim to US citizenship is an unwaivable, permanent bar.

 

The only real concern of having both is if you had a means to demonstrate that the unwaivable one was incorrectly applied.

[JeanneAdil 6,554]

application where someone proposes to be a USC is checked against SS #,  birth certificate (that is sent in) and other records

using any fake ID for an application would get anyone in more trouble than just a bar 

[Becci391 339]

One question: WHY did you do that?

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, Becci391 said:

One question: WHY did you do that?

Don't worry the OP is probably long gone and won't be coming back to answer any questions for their friend.

[caliliving 606]

probably went to school here, had a SSN, work permit ended so checked the box for being a US Citizen. 

 

 

[HRQX 4,145]

3 minutes ago, caliliving said:

probably went to school here, had a SSN, work permit ended so checked the box for being a US Citizen.

The other thread didn't mention going to school:

"Went back and forth over the years (have overstayed my visitors visa a few times but never been notified or had any proceedings against me)"

"a few years ago. I was a comedian and a manager filed on my behalf."

[TorontoCalifornia 2]

5 hours ago, carmel34 said:

Lying on the I-9 could come up during the AOS process background check on you, or if not then, at a later stage of becoming a legal resident (ROC) or citizen.  Check this out for an explanation of what you are risking by claiming on a US government document that you were a US citizen but are not:

 

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-checking-citizen-national-form-i-9-can-ruin-your-chance-green-card.html

Thank you

[TorontoCalifornia 2]

3 hours ago, HRQX said:

Odds are they already know. As an example, ICE routinely does I-9 audits: https://www.ice.gov/factsheets/i9-inspection

If I am understanding this correctly, then it would have to be a case where they happened to audit a place where someone had worked. Still kind of long odds, no?

[TorontoCalifornia 2]

3 hours ago, Unlockable said:

Even having one misrepresentation is bad. But with one, maybe you were naive, young, stupid mistake, uninformed, or careless.

This confuses me. Makes it seem like a false claim to USC is forgivable, though I have seen nothing that indicates that?

[TorontoCalifornia 2]

3 hours ago, HRQX said:

Further examples of how much info is available to DHS:

• https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1711514.html
• https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1595158.html
• https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-4th-circuit/1684948.html

Thanks for these

[TorontoCalifornia 2]

4 hours ago, HRQX said:

Odds are they already know. As an example, ICE routinely does I-9 audits: https://www.ice.gov/factsheets/i9-inspection

" Forms I-9 for all current employees. In the case of former employees, retention of Forms I-9 are required for a period of at least three years from the date of hire or for one year after the employee is no longer employed, whichever is longer."

 

If this is true, after three years the information that USCIS would use to prove a false claim would be gone?

[geowrian 22,337]

It really sounds like you're fishing for a reason for somebody to lie (since it must be disclosed when applying for almost any immigration benefit), hoping they won't get caught.

[Ryan H 3,812]

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