I-864 questions

[RosaMystica7 0]

My friend is re-considering being a co-sponsor so I don't have to worry about affidavit garbage while my dad's dying. I just want to make sure I understand this right...

1) All that's required with it are the last year's tax returns (she's not self-employed) and some paystubs? Like how many paystubs? No employer letter? No 3 years worth of tax returns?

2) For part 1, what does she check off? Is she considered a "joint sponsor" in I-864 jargon? D is the only one that seems to fit... she didn't file the petition... it's not a worker visa... the original petitioner isn't deceased... but I wanted to check that joint sponsor = co-sponsor? She needs to send a copy of her birth certificate too, right?

I felt so confident with the K1 stuff but with AOS stuff I feel so fuzzy. I've read the guides and forums and whatnot but with all that's going on with dad I couldn't even remember the date we got married when I was asked. So I'm not really with it right now. Thanks for the help.

[Dr_LHA 3]

1) All that's required with it are the last year's tax returns (she's not self-employed) and some paystubs? Like how many paystubs? No employer letter? No 3 years worth of tax returns?

That is what is required (last tax return) but it can't hurt to include more, especially if her earnings are only marginally able to cover the poverty guidelines.

2) For part 1, what does she check off? Is she considered a "joint sponsor" in I-864 jargon? D is the only one that seems to fit... she didn't file the petition... it's not a worker visa... the original petitioner isn't deceased... but I wanted to check that joint sponsor = co-sponsor? She needs to send a copy of her birth certificate too, right?

Yes she is a joint sponsor. "Co-sponsor" and "Joint Sponsor" mean the same thing, look up "co-" in the dictionary!

[Yodrak 7]

Angilla,

RTFM - the form Instructions and Step-By-Step Instructions explain it quite well, including a four-paragraph section explaining what a Joint Sponsor is.

Lose the term 'co-sponsor' - it's a creation that exists only to cause confusion.

Yodrak

My friend is re-considering being a co-sponsor so I don't have to worry about affidavit garbage while my dad's dying. I just want to make sure I understand this right...

1) All that's required with it are the last year's tax returns (she's not self-employed) and some paystubs? Like how many paystubs? No employer letter? No 3 years worth of tax returns?

2) For part 1, what does she check off? Is she considered a "joint sponsor" in I-864 jargon? D is the only one that seems to fit... she didn't file the petition... it's not a worker visa... the original petitioner isn't deceased... but I wanted to check that joint sponsor = co-sponsor? She needs to send a copy of her birth certificate too, right?

I felt so confident with the K1 stuff but with AOS stuff I feel so fuzzy. I've read the guides and forums and whatnot but with all that's going on with dad I couldn't even remember the date we got married when I was asked. So I'm not really with it right now. Thanks for the help.

[Dr_LHA 3]

Lose the term 'co-sponsor' - it's a creation that exists only to cause confusion.

I continue to be puzzled why someone would be confused enough to think that a "joint sponsor" and a "co-sponsor" could be different things. There's nothing wrong with using "co-sponsor" as an alternative in my mind. We don't have to be nazis about the English language just because USCIS choses to use one particular construct rather than another.

Edited June 8, 2007 by Dr_LHA

[KarenCee 3]

Lose the term 'co-sponsor' - it's a creation that exists only to cause confusion.

I continue to be puzzled why someone would be confused enough to think that a "joint sponsor" and a "co-sponsor" could be different things. There's nothing wrong with using "co-sponsor" as an alternative in my mind. We don't have to be nazis about the English language just because USCIS choses to use one particular construct rather than another.

Semantics...sheesh. I think the OP got the information she needs. Do we really have to debate semantics too?

[Dr_LHA 3]

Semantics...sheesh. I think the OP got the information she needs. Do we really have to debate semantics too?

Indeed. I would argue that we don't need to argue semantics. Hence why I'm against the whole stomping of feet when anyone says "co-sponsor".

[KarenCee 3]

Semantics...sheesh. I think the OP got the information she needs. Do we really have to debate semantics too?

Indeed. I would argue that we don't need to argue semantics. Hence why I'm against the whole stomping of feet when anyone says "co-sponsor".

Then maybe somebody needs to work on the wording somewhere, so we don't have this issue. Personally I think it's generally known on VJ that "co" and "joint" sponsor means the same thing.

[Yodrak 7]

Dr_LHA and KarenCee,

A Household Member also fits the dictionary definition of 'co-sponsor'. Using 'co-sponsor' in the I-864 context is ambiguous and does often lead to confusion. "Does my co-sponsor use I-864 or I-864A?" "Well, it depends - what do you mean by 'co-sponsor'?"

Better to use the appropriate terms for clarity and the avoidance of possible confusion. Is it really so difficult?

Yodrak

Lose the term 'co-sponsor' - it's a creation that exists only to cause confusion.

I continue to be puzzled why someone would be confused enough to think that a "joint sponsor" and a "co-sponsor" could be different things. There's nothing wrong with using "co-sponsor" as an alternative in my mind. We don't have to be nazis about the English language just because USCIS choses to use one particular construct rather than another.

Edited June 8, 2007 by Yodrak

[KarenCee 3]

Dr_LHA and KarenCee,

A Household Member also fits the dictionary definition of 'co-sponsor'. Using 'co-sponsor' in the I-864 context is ambiguous and does often lead to confusion. "Does my co-sponsor use I-864 or I-864A?" "Well, it depends - what do you mean by 'co-sponsor'?"

Better to use the appropriate terms for clarity and the avoidance of possible confusion. Is it really so difficult?

Yodrak

Lose the term 'co-sponsor' - it's a creation that exists only to cause confusion.

I continue to be puzzled why someone would be confused enough to think that a "joint sponsor" and a "co-sponsor" could be different things. There's nothing wrong with using "co-sponsor" as an alternative in my mind. We don't have to be nazis about the English language just because USCIS choses to use one particular construct rather than another.

*BIG SIGH* No Yodrak...I suppose it's not. I just get tired of all the petty arguing. At least it seems petty to me. JMHO.

[Dr_LHA 3]

A Household Member also fits the dictionary definition of 'co-sponsor'.

In which case a Household Member also fits the dictionary definition of 'joint sponsor' too.

Using 'co-sponsor' in the I-864 context is ambiguous and does often lead to confusion. "Does my co-sponsor use I-864 or I-864A?" "Well, it depends - what do you mean by 'co-sponsor'?"

No, because I-864A is only used by Household members, not co-sponsors. Most people are confused about I-864A seemingly because they haven't actually read the title of that form.

Better to use the appropriate terms for clarity and the avoidance of possible confusion. Is it really so difficult?

Co-sponsor is an appropriate term, as it means *exactly the same thing* as joint sponsor. I think its more appropriate to give people valuable advice, rather than slam them for using perfectly correct English. Or are we to limit all postings on VJ to only words used on USCIS forms in future?

Edited June 8, 2007 by Dr_LHA

[Captain Ewok 1,900]

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