Tourist visa and dual citizenship with different day of birth

[GJen 9]

Hey everyone,

 

I’m not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but here I go.

 

So my mom is originally from Colombia, but she grew up in Venezuela. She has a Venezuelan passport and US Tourist visa. She is been to the US several times, never overstayed or had any issues at all. She usually stays about 2 months and then goes back home. On her Venezuelan passport and Visa her day of birth is showing as April 24 1951. (this detail will make sense in a  bit)

 

Unfortunately because of the current political distress Venezuela is in and because the US is not allowing flights directly from Venezuela to the US my mom is having to travel through Colombia and since she was born in Colombia and she is also a Colombian citizen she is required to travel with a Colombian passport. Now here comes the issue she is having. She went to get a Colombian passport a couple months ago and when she received it she noticed that her day of birth is showing as April 25^th 1951. She talked to them about it and turns out that’s the actual date showing in her birth certificate and she had no idea and this cant be changed. For some reason she always thought she was born on April 24^th, not 25^th. So as I understand my mom wouldn’t be able to use her Colombian passport and her US visa because the birth dates don’t match due to this error.

 

My question is, would my mother be okay leaving Colombia with her Colombian passport and then entering the US with her Venezuelan passport and her US Visa (which is also on her Venezuelan passport)? Or could she be detained for this issue?

 

Venezuelan Passport and US Visa show day of birth as of April 24^th 1951

Colombian Passport shows day of birth April 25^th 1951

 

Thank you,

[USS_Voyager 1,972]

18 minutes ago, GJen said:

My question is, would my mother be okay leaving Colombia with her Colombian passport and then entering the US with her Venezuelan passport and her US Visa (which is also on her Venezuelan passport)? Or could she be detained for this issue?

Well, this is an interesting scenario but I think in your mom's case, the answer is easy. I don't think the US care what passport you use to leave another country. They only care what passport you use to enter the US with and do you have the right visa in that passport. So in your mom's case, I think she has to use the Venezuelan passport to enter the US because it has the visa on it. What she uses to leave Colombia, the US has no business in it. 

 

I thought you were gonna ask if she can enter the US using the Colombia passport but the visa is on her Venezuelan passport, which will present an interesting scenario: Can one use one passport and a visa on a different nationality's passport? Assume there is no issue about the birth date like your mom. And I don't have the answer to that. I hold two passports too (US and Vietnam) but never have this problem because I always use my Vietnamese passport to enter and leave Vietnam (which is another proof that your mom can use her Colombian passport to leave Colombia) and always use my US passport to enter the US, but since I'm citizen of both, I never needed any visa. 

[Mollie09 1,543]

21 minutes ago, USS_Voyager said:

Can one use one passport and a visa on a different nationality's passport?

It's my understanding that you can't, no. If the passport with your visa expires, you can use a new passport of the same nationality and the unexpired visa in another passport.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

13 minutes ago, Mollie09 said:

It's my understanding that you can't, no. If the passport with your visa expires, you can use a new passport of the same nationality and the unexpired visa in another passport.

This is my understanding too.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

1 hour ago, GJen said:

Hey everyone,

 

I’m not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but here I go.

 

So my mom is originally from Colombia, but she grew up in Venezuela. She has a Venezuelan passport and US Tourist visa. She is been to the US several times, never overstayed or had any issues at all. She usually stays about 2 months and then goes back home. On her Venezuelan passport and Visa her day of birth is showing as April 24 1951. (this detail will make sense in a  bit)

 

Unfortunately because of the current political distress Venezuela is in and because the US is not allowing flights directly from Venezuela to the US my mom is having to travel through Colombia and since she was born in Colombia and she is also a Colombian citizen she is required to travel with a Colombian passport. Now here comes the issue she is having. She went to get a Colombian passport a couple months ago and when she received it she noticed that her day of birth is showing as April 25^th 1951. She talked to them about it and turns out that’s the actual date showing in her birth certificate and she had no idea and this cant be changed. For some reason she always thought she was born on April 24^th, not 25^th. So as I understand my mom wouldn’t be able to use her Colombian passport and her US visa because the birth dates don’t match due to this error.

 

My question is, would my mother be okay leaving Colombia with her Colombian passport and then entering the US with her Venezuelan passport and her US Visa (which is also on her Venezuelan passport)? Or could she be detained for this issue?

 

Venezuelan Passport and US Visa show day of birth as of April 24^th 1951

Colombian Passport shows day of birth April 25^th 1951

 

Thank you,

She can usually leave Colombia on her Colombian passport and enter the US on her Venezuelan one, no problem, people do this kind of thing all the time. The problem will come in in that she has to enter her date of birth when booking the flight ticket, which means one of the passports is not going to align with the pax info on the airline manifest.

 

(as an aside it’s kind of weird that she apparently was able to provide a date of birth for the Venezuelan passport without any official confirmation (like birth certificate) of that? Something like that would have picked up the error.)

Edited November 1, 2019 by SusieQQQ

[GJen 9]

21 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

She can usually leave Colombia on her Colombian passport and enter the US on her Venezuelan one, no problem, people do this kind of thing all the time. The problem will come in in that she has to enter her date of birth when booking the flight ticket, which means one of the passports is not going to align with the pax info on the airline manifest.

 

(as an aside it’s kind of weird that she apparently was able to provide a date of birth for the Venezuelan passport without any official confirmation (like birth certificate) of that? Something like that would have picked up the error.)

My mother received citizenship in Venezuela when she was very young so I guess it was some kind of typo in the documentation when they processed her citizenship and it was never fixed for her. I was thinking about purchasing the ticket using my mother’s Venezuelan passport information since that’s the passport she will be using when leaving Colombia so using the birthday information used in her Venezuelan passport instead of the Colombian passport. Do you think she will have issues leaving Colombia that way?

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

53 minutes ago, GJen said:

My mother received citizenship in Venezuela when she was very young so I guess it was some kind of typo in the documentation when they processed her citizenship and it was never fixed for her. I was thinking about purchasing the ticket using my mother’s Venezuelan passport information since that’s the passport she will be using when leaving Colombia so using the birthday information used in her Venezuelan passport instead of the Colombian passport. Do you think she will have issues leaving Colombia that way?

I’m confused, I thought you said she had to use the Colombian passport to leave Colombia in your first post? Of course if she can just use the Venezuelan passport for everything  that’s an easy solution.

Edited November 1, 2019 by SusieQQQ

[ElDiablo 95]

Thought this duplicate topic was familiar..

[Eric&Mirella 367]

  You can buy her a ticket with copa airlines, she will make a short layover in Panama City and then she can board the plane to any POE closer to you. No need to go through immigration in Panama. All of this with her Venezuelan passport. My mom is both Italian and Venezuelan and she’s always used both passports to travel (not to the US though) 

 

it will be Ccs-pty-pty- any American city. Unless you want her to leave from Colombia. 

[GJen 9]

On 11/1/2019 at 11:44 AM, SusieQQQ said:

I’m confused, I thought you said she had to use the Colombian passport to leave Colombia in your first post? Of course if she can just use the Venezuelan passport for everything  that’s an easy solution.

She does have to use her Colombian passport to leave Colombia, but what I’m trying to figure out is if I have to purchase the ticket using the Venezuelan or Colombian passport. I don’t know if this matters at all. I thought I would use the Venezuelan one since that’s the one she is using to enter the US. I’m afraid that if I use her Colombian passport to purchase the ticket US immigration officers will request her Colombian passport instead of the Venezuelan one and then the dates wouldn’t match.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

29 minutes ago, GJen said:

She does have to use her Colombian passport to leave Colombia, but what I’m trying to figure out is if I have to purchase the ticket using the Venezuelan or Colombian passport. I don’t know if this matters at all. I thought I would use the Venezuelan one since that’s the one she is using to enter the US. I’m afraid that if I use her Colombian passport to purchase the ticket US immigration officers will request her Colombian passport instead of the Venezuelan one and then the dates wouldn’t match.

Is there exit control in Colombia?  If she has to show her Colombian passport to exit and it doesn’t match the date of birth listed in her ticket that could also be a problem,.

 

I am not sure what you mean about “using the passport to purchase the ticket”.  You don’t need a passport to buy a ticket, unless there is some local regulation in Colombia about that? When her details need to be entered for APIS (which doesn’t have to happen when you buy the ticket, it just has to happen before check-in/the boarding pass is issued) then she can use the Venezuelan passport for that, as that is where her US visa is, and she will obviously need that to match the date of birth  on the ticket.

[Mollie09 1,543]

3 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

Is there exit control in Colombia?  If she has to show her Colombian passport to exit and it doesn’t match the date of birth listed in her ticket that could also be a problem,.

 

I am not sure what you mean about “using the passport to purchase the ticket”.  You don’t need a passport to buy a ticket, unless there is some local regulation in Colombia about that? When her details need to be entered for APIS (which doesn’t have to happen when you buy the ticket, it just has to happen before check-in/the boarding pass is issued) then she can use the Venezuelan passport for that, as that is where her US visa is, and she will obviously need that to match the date of birth  on the ticket.

The only country where I haven't seen exit controls is the US, but there is no date of birth listed on the ticket, so it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Also, I've always needed to enter passport info when booking international tickets, and then re-enter them at check-in.

Edited November 3, 2019 by Mollie09

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

1 hour ago, Mollie09 said:

The only country where I haven't seen exit controls is the US, but there is no date of birth listed on the ticket, so it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Also, I've always needed to enter passport info when booking international tickets, and then re-enter them at check-in.

I’ve always had to enter date of birth information when booking a ticket. Definitely not always passport info. Anyway whichever the case is, there is a date of birth that goes on the ticket file that looks like somewhere it will cause problems for OP’s mom. If no one was going to look at it why would they bother having you enter it?

Edited November 3, 2019 by SusieQQQ

[GJen 9]

21 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

Is there exit control in Colombia?  If she has to show her Colombian passport to exit and it doesn’t match the date of birth listed in her ticket that could also be a problem,.

 

I am not sure what you mean about “using the passport to purchase the ticket”.  You don’t need a passport to buy a ticket, unless there is some local regulation in Colombia about that? When her details need to be entered for APIS (which doesn’t have to happen when you buy the ticket, it just has to happen before check-in/the boarding pass is issued) then she can use the Venezuelan passport for that, as that is where her US visa is, and she will obviously need that to match the date of birth  on the ticket.

yes, there is exit control in Colombia. I guess you don’t really need a passport to buy the ticket, but when you are ready to check in, it does ask for passport info. That’s what I’m trying to figure out. I guess I’ll have to have her do check in using her Colombian passport and hope they don’t give her a hard time when trying to enter the US. 😓