Women At Ernst & Young Instructed On How To Dress, Act Nicely Around Men

[laylalex 7,284]

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• Don’t directly confront men in meetings, because men perceive this as threatening. (Women do not.) Meet before (or after) the meeting instead.
• If you’re having a conversation with a man, cross your legs and sit at an angle to him. Don’t talk to a man face-to-face. Men see that as threatening.
• Don’t be too aggressive or outspoken.

 

“You have to offer your thoughts in a benign way,” Jane said, recalling the seminar. “You have to be the perfect Stepford wife.” It felt like they were being turned into someone who is “super-smiley, who never confronts anyone,” she said.

“You have to be the stereotype of what a woman is,” Jane said. Like the worksheet described it, she added. 

 

Attendees were even told that women’s brains are 6% to 11% smaller than men’s, Jane said. She wasn’t sure why they were told this, nor is it clear from the presentation. Women’s brains absorb information like pancakes soak up syrup so it’s hard for them to focus, the attendees were told. Men’s brains are more like waffles. They’re better able to focus because the information collects in each little waffle square.

 

I... I just can't. I can't even... why... how... someone wrote this...

 

Guys, if you wonder why it is that women think that they are devalued at work... here's an example. I'll just go finish my shift with my pancake brain which finds it hard to focus.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/women-ernst-young-how-to-dress-act-around-men_n_5da721eee4b002e33e78606a

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

And. I dont get why its news 

[Boiler 45,478]

Size of squirrel

 

 

 

[90DayFinancier 910]

2 hours ago, laylalex said:

I... I just can't. I can't even... why... how... someone wrote this...

 

Guys, if you wonder why it is that women think that they are devalued at work... here's an example. I'll just go finish my shift with my pancake brain which finds it hard to focus.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/women-ernst-young-how-to-dress-act-around-men_n_5da721eee4b002e33e78606a

This perspective might explain the results I am seeing from EY.

[90DayFinancier 910]

55 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Size of squirrel

 

 

 

SBC is hilarious, but does this meet the gender and family friendly standards? Asking for a friend.

[Boiler 45,478]

We have Gender standards?

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

We have Gender standards?

Obviously not from the quality of men around here.

[Boiler 45,478]

VJ does not require members to specify their preferred pronouns.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

19 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Obviously not from the quality of men around here.

Why do you assume any of us are men. How crass and insensitive.  

[laylalex 7,284]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

We have Gender standards?

We should all try to be decent to each other. Some of us should be treated more decently than others, because they are serene highnesses. 👸

 

But yes, I have been called worse than sweetie, as I was in the other thread. Princess, doll, hot stuff, sugar t-ts (and not by Alex, he can call me that); why don't you smile, come on, just a smile. Getting followed around in the supermarket (and touched in the supermarket by randos, as I have mentioned before), having strangers try to open my car door for me, getting pinched and "accidentally" touched and whatnot. My high school boyfriend (another winner) used to tell me that it's the price of being pretty. Um, NO! 

 

But getting back to the E&Y thing, it's totally absurd that this is happening in 2019. That women are still being told that they have to adhere to "conventional" gender standards in order to succeed at business. And it's not like they're some rinky dink outfit! Absurd. 

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Why do you assume any of us are men. How crass and insensitive.  

Pretty sure you have referred to yourself as a man. Were you lying?  

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

8 hours ago, laylalex said:

We should all try to be decent to each other. Some of us should be treated more decently than others, because they are serene highnesses. 👸

 

But yes, I have been called worse than sweetie, as I was in the other thread. Princess, doll, hot stuff, sugar t-ts (and not by Alex, he can call me that); why don't you smile, come on, just a smile. Getting followed around in the supermarket (and touched in the supermarket by randos, as I have mentioned before), having strangers try to open my car door for me, getting pinched and "accidentally" touched and whatnot. My high school boyfriend (another winner) used to tell me that it's the price of being pretty. Um, NO! 

 

But getting back to the E&Y thing, it's totally absurd that this is happening in 2019. That women are still being told that they have to adhere to "conventional" gender standards in order to succeed at business. And it's not like they're some rinky dink outfit! Absurd. 

Pretty sure you have referred to yourself as a man. Were you lying?  

You got a quote or you just making stuff up. I am so so triggered. Am I not allowed to change my gender pronoun.. I mean gender is fluid right

 

As for your last question.  which time and yes daily 😎

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

9 hours ago, laylalex said:

We should all try to be decent to each other. Some of us should be treated more decently than others, because they are serene highnesses. 👸

 

But yes, I have been called worse than sweetie, as I was in the other thread. Princess, doll, hot stuff, sugar t-ts (and not by Alex, he can call me that); why don't you smile, come on, just a smile. Getting followed around in the supermarket (and touched in the supermarket by randos, as I have mentioned before), having strangers try to open my car door for me, getting pinched and "accidentally" touched and whatnot. My high school boyfriend (another winner) used to tell me that it's the price of being pretty. Um, NO! 

 

But getting back to the E&Y thing, it's totally absurd that this is happening in 2019. That women are still being told that they have to adhere to "conventional" gender standards in order to succeed at business. And it's not like they're some rinky dink outfit! Absurd. 

Pretty sure you have referred to yourself as a man. Were you lying?  

Be glad you do not come down South because the Sweetie part and the strangers trying to open a door is still very much prevalent down here by both men and women. I have been called sweetie before as well, actually just last week at the Wafflehouse. 

 

The smile part I am not going to lie was my best pick up line back in day when I was single. I would say something like "You need to smile because you are to pretty/beautiful not to smile", and 90% of the time it worked with the girl whole heartedly smiling. 

Edited October 25, 2019 by Cyberfx1024

[yuna628 9,675]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Be glad you do not come down South because the Sweetie part and the strangers trying to open a door is still very much prevalent down here by both men and women. I have been called sweetie before as well, actually just last week at the Wafflehouse. 

 

The smile part I am not going to lie was my best pick up line back in day when I was single. I would say something like "You need to smile because you are to pretty/beautiful not to smile", and 90% of the time it worked with the girl whole heartedly smiling. 

I understand the sweetie thing as a cultural thing for some, it's sort of how people in the UK use terms like ''pet''. But unless being told to smile as a pickup line is a thing that is only appreciated by southern girls, as a northern girl I don't know any that would appreciate it. I don't think I'd know any UK girl that would appreciate it either. I think my MiL would likely ''chin ya''. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Be glad you do not come down South because the Sweetie part and the strangers trying to open a door is still very much prevalent down here by both men and women. I have been called sweetie before as well, actually just last week at the Wafflehouse. 

 

The smile part I am not going to lie was my best pick up line back in day when I was single. I would say something like "You need to smile because you are to pretty/beautiful not to smile", and 90% of the time it worked with the girl whole heartedly smiling. 

I was in Vegas a while back with another guy my age. There was a female door person. We saw her and both of us without making eye contact, kind of non obviously went to another door.  I ask him when we got inside. You did not feel comfortable with a woman opening your door either did you. we both chuckled. 

[laylalex 7,284]

2 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

You got a quote or you just making stuff up. I am so so triggered. Am I not allowed to change my gender pronoun.. I mean gender is fluid right

 

As for your last question.  which time and yes daily 😎

Sorry NB, I blame the wine we were drinking last night! I rambled on a bit there and I think I was probably replying to someone else and the universe more generally... 

 

Of course you can change your gender pronouns if you like. 

 

And I am not digging through your post history (how rude!  ) but I know you have said you are of the manly man persuasion. Glad to know you are at least honest about your lying. 

 

2 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Be glad you do not come down South because the Sweetie part and the strangers trying to open a door is still very much prevalent down here by both men and women. I have been called sweetie before as well, actually just last week at the Wafflehouse. 

 

The smile part I am not going to lie was my best pick up line back in day when I was single. I would say something like "You need to smile because you are to pretty/beautiful not to smile", and 90% of the time it worked with the girl whole heartedly smiling. 

Yes, it is (as yuna points out) very much a contextual thing. My mom calls me sweetie, and so does the woman who works at the pharmacy I go to. And if I were in the South, yeah, I wouldn't take offense to it, even from a man in this type of context. It's a cultural thing. But a woman knows the difference between one of these contextual "sweetie"s and a man who in a meeting says, "well, sweetie, that's certainly an interesting idea..." 

 

Also as women in this society we are socialized to be nice to men. Sorry, it's true. We have to be nice and flatter their egos because that's what good girls do. And sometimes with strange men, men you don't know, who say something like "why don't you give us a smile, love" (as I got the other week when I was on holiday in England, just walking to the shop to get some milk), you don't know how they're going to react if you tell them no, I'd rather not. You might get called a "b", or the c word, or you might get a guy who follows you into the shop and keeps bothering you. If you think these things are uncommon, I'm sorry, they're not. So you smile and maybe laugh a little to make the moment end. I don't want to perform happiness for anyone. Sometimes I'm just tired and want to get some milk so my stepdaughter-to-be can have some muesli.