Build America visa proposal plan: will be passed the Congress?

[hopelifebetter201 72]

I really worry about this. any thoughts? thanks.

[aaron2020 11,651]

It will never pass a Democratic House.  Don't worry about this. 

Worry about how Trump is manipulating the current rules for legal immigration by throwing up new roadblocks.  Public charge.  Insurance requirement.  Etc.  

[geowrian 22,337]

Virtually no chance of anything passing through Congress in this term (and very likely near future terms IMO).

[USS_Voyager 1,972]

[Boiler 45,486]

Basically for anything of consequence to pass it has to be when one party holds all 3 arms of Government. From a practical perspective that seems to be limited to a 2 year period, they will screw things up so badly they will lose that opportunity for a considerable period.

 

So assuming this cycle continues it will be the Dems next to have a 2 year period and they have a lot of stuff they want passed, Immigration did not make it last time and I doubt it will next time. 2 years seems a long time but you need to remember that in any given party there are differing views and they will spend a lot of that arguing amongst themselves so inevitably the issues which have more common support will get priority.

 

 

 

 

[USS_Voyager 1,972]

31 minutes ago, Boiler said:

From a practical perspective that seems to be limited to a 2 year period

The last time the Dems had that, they did the ACA. The Reps didn't really get anything done at all during the first 2 years 2017-2018, maybe you can count tax reform, but to me, that's minor. They struggled to get anything for the walls, failed terrible trying to repeal the ACA (or have a replacement plan for the ACA, that was just horrible, they had 6-7 years to write a plan, and came up with nothing) and did absolutely nothing for immigration. If anything, it just made legal immigration the more confusing (by Trump issuing executive orders at random, causing mass panic then it almost always ended up being blocked by the courts) than it already was without accomlishing anything meaningful whatsoever. 

Edited October 21, 2019 by USS_Voyager

[Boiler 45,486]

1 minute ago, USS_Voyager said:

The last time the Dems had that, they did the ACA. The Reps didn't really get anything done at all during the first 2 years 2017-2018, maybe you can count tax reform, but to me, that's minor. They struggled to get anything for the walls, failed terrible trying to repeal the ACA (or have a replacement plan for the ACA, that was just horrible, they had 6-7 years to write a plan, and came up with nothing) and did absolutely nothing for immigration. If anything, it just made legal immigration the more confusing (by Trump issuing executive orders at random, causing mass panic then it almost always ended up being blocked by the courts) than it already was without accomplishing anything meaningful whatsoever. 

Well you make my point, I would add that Obama was king of the Executive orders, and he used them partly for the very reasons I mentioned.

 

Yes the ACA was a disaster, missed the point and also a good example of how things do not work. The US system seems designed to stop things happening, so what does get done tends to be a mess.

[geowrian 22,337]

6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Yes the ACA was a disaster

A disaster, but I would be dead without it.

[Boiler 45,486]

9 minutes ago, geowrian said:

A disaster, but I would be dead without it.

I was thinking of the bigger picture, there would be people who qualify under the Build America policy that do not now who think it would be wonderful.

 

Very rare for any change not to involve winners and losers, short term gain often involves long term loss. 

 

 

 

 

[Mollie09 1,543]

31 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Well you make my point, I would add that Obama was king of the Executive orders, and he used them partly for the very reasons I mentioned.

 

Yes the ACA was a disaster, missed the point and also a good example of how things do not work. The US system seems designed to stop things happening, so what does get done tends to be a mess.

 

Trump has signed more Executive Orders than Obama, not sure what you mean by "king of Executive orders".

https://www.apnews.com/25ca8d3b39024f9e828df7ebeb718274

Edited October 21, 2019 by Mollie09

[90DayFinancier 910]

2 hours ago, USS_Voyager said:

 

[SalishSea 17,828]

5 hours ago, geowrian said:

A disaster, but I would be dead without it.

As would many of my patients ❤️

[Scott001 128]

8 hours ago, Mollie09 said:

 

Trump has signed more Executive Orders than Obama, not sure what you mean by "king of Executive orders".

https://www.apnews.com/25ca8d3b39024f9e828df7ebeb718274

That article is comparing the first 3 years of their terms. While Trump is on pace to pass Obama, Obama's total is about double Trumps. Once Trump passes him then he'll be the new EO king. 

 

Edit: looks like Bush is reigning king

 

Primary source:

https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders

Edited October 22, 2019 by Scott001

[geowrian 22,337]

57 minutes ago, Scott001 said:

That article is comparing the first 3 years of their terms. While Trump is on pace to pass Obama, Obama's total is about double Trumps. Once Trump passes him then he'll be the new EO king. 

 

Edit: looks like Bush is reigning king

 

Primary source:

https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders

I'd be surprised if he added 147+ EOs in the next year.

[Scott001 128]

27 minutes ago, geowrian said:

I'd be surprised if he added 147+ EOs in the next year.

147x 5 years = too many to count