25,000 Evangelical Christian Youth rally against promiscuity and corporate culture

[ace13 0]

I don't understand morality without religion. I mean, why would you? It's like, if I don't believe that Jesus died for my sins and that I'm going to Heaven someday, why live a moral life? What would be the point...may as well "eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we DIE."

Morals, as well as many other things, predate Christianity, you know....

Morals are about the ability of a society to function in a cohesive, complimentary way. Religion came after the fact as a way to impose those morals on the people who would otherwise ignore them.

Look at many of the "laws" in the Torah/Old Testament. They are solely for the functioning of society. Do you think G-d really cares if someone eats pork? No, but given the time and the lack of understanding about medicine and disease, the rule about pork probably stopped a lot of cases of trichinosis, I'd bet.

She said religion Cian. Her example is Christianity. I am sure Missliss knows morality existed before Jesus because the bible tells us so.

[PlatyPius 5]

I don't understand morality without religion. I mean, why would you? It's like, if I don't believe that Jesus died for my sins and that I'm going to Heaven someday, why live a moral life? What would be the point...may as well "eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we DIE."

Morals, as well as many other things, predate Christianity, you know....

Morals are about the ability of a society to function in a cohesive, complimentary way. Religion came after the fact as a way to impose those morals on the people who would otherwise ignore them.

Look at many of the "laws" in the Torah/Old Testament. They are solely for the functioning of society. Do you think G-d really cares if someone eats pork? No, but given the time and the lack of understanding about medicine and disease, the rule about pork probably stopped a lot of cases of trichinosis, I'd bet.

She said religion Cian. Her example is Christianity. I am sure Missliss knows morality existed before Jesus because the bible tells us so.

She said "Religion", but said without Jesus and Heaven there would be no reason. That is entirely related to Christianity. Ergo, I addressed it from a Christianity angle.

This does show perfectly what some of us have been yammering on about though.... she says "religion", but then states that without Jesus (Yeshua) and Heaven, there is no reason for morality. In other words, she has just rendered a judgement of "not important/real" on the rest of the world's religions. THAT is the thing that really gets some of us in an uproar.

[Traviesa 0]

All major world religions promote morality and deal with the afterlife. As was indicated, I was using what I know most about-Christianity-as the example.

[ace13 0]

All major world religions promote morality and deal with the afterlife. As was indicated, I was using what I know most about-Christianity-as the example.

I understood

[Jenn! 918]

It makes me sad to know that there are people who think that I have no morals simply because I do not subscribe to any religion. I wish I would be judged by my actions, and not my beliefs.

Edited June 6, 2006 by jenn3539

[PlatyPius 5]

It makes me sad to know that there are people who think that I have no morals simply because I do not subscribe to any religion. I wish I would be judged by my actions, and not my beliefs.

Oh, but you'll ultimately be judged for your actions too, you know.....

[LaL 418]

I don't understand morality without religion. I mean, why would you? It's like, if I don't believe that Jesus died for my sins and that I'm going to Heaven someday, why live a moral life? What would be the point...may as well "eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we DIE."

there are so many reasons why those without religion choose to live a moral lifestyle. I found THIS article very simple and provides just a peek at how the "others" live . Thisis by no means a dissertation, but thought it was appropriate. Below is a few excerpts from the article.

Morality Without Religion

A charge often heard by Humanists is that without belief in God, there is no basis for morality and the result is a society in which "anything goes." Actually, most nonbelievers have strong foundations for living ethically.

Self-Defense

As the great nineteenth-century agnostic Robert Ingersoll often explained, one basis for nontheistic morality is simply the idea of self-defense. Because nontheists do not want to be murdered, robbed, raped, or otherwise injured, they support laws prohibiting those types of harmful acts.

Enlightened Self-Interest

Another basis for nontheistic morality is the principle of enlightened self-interest. Under this principle, it makes perfectly good sense for a person to treat others kindly and helpfully. For the treatment will likely cause them to reciprocate with similar behavior, thereby increasing the person's happiness.

Emotional and Physical Benefits

Nontheistic morality is also promoted by recent research indicating a person's emotional and physical health can improve by performing good works. As explained in Allan Luks' book The Healing Power of Doing Good, science is revealing that helping others can produce many benefits for the helper.

[anya-D 8]

Let me ask this though - how many of you NON Christians are anti gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti gay adoption, will be disappointed if your children have sex before marriage, are anti children-out-of-wedlock, and drink little to no alcohol?

there's morality even if there's no religion.. thats a basic principle..

I disagree. At least, there's not MUCH morality without religion.

oh boy.. why am i get in to this.. i dont know but i'll answer

I'm Buddhist so i'm not a christian - I'm not anti-gay marriage.. coz they are also people.. people should be able to choose what they feel is right for them.. in this case. they fall in love with the same sex.. so what? I'm not anti-abortion.. accept that somebody use it as an easy way out, take advantage of it and didnt learn from it. I'm not a big fan of sex before marriage but i'm not anti it. Sex "outside" of marriage is something i'm anti off.. (cheating) and as long as it's a genuine relationship - and they are both adults, then that's fine.

children - out - of- wedlock I dont know what it means. And i used to drink alcohol.. not much anymore... It's not the actual "drinking" that is bad, but to let the alcohol control your behavior (get drunk) that is bad. because it take away or reduce your soncious, sub soncious, your judgment and your moral and can cause you to do a very bad thing.

My husband has no religion.. and do not call himself anything.. dont beleive in anything and he has a great moral than some people i know who attend church or go to temple. He loves fellow human and would help any of his freinds the best he could, very honest and hate lies, never cheats and works very hard. etc.. (i'm very proud, you can tell )

So for me I beleive people CAN have moral without religion.

[incanada1234 0]

there are so many reasons why those without religion choose to live a moral lifestyle. I found THIS article very simple and provides just a peek at how the "others" live .

Again, do they believe in all the things I mentioned in my previous post?

[anya-D 8]

She said religion Cian. Her example is Christianity. I am sure Missliss knows morality existed before Jesus because the bible tells us so.

Buddhism existed 2549 years ago you know.. (just to back up the "morality existed before Jesus... " )

Edited June 6, 2006 by anya-D

[Jenn! 918]

there are so many reasons why those without religion choose to live a moral lifestyle. I found THIS article very simple and provides just a peek at how the "others" live .

Again, do they believe in all the things I mentioned in my previous post?

Why are focusing on those things? Being a moral person does not mean that you are necessarily anti-gay!

[incanada1234 0]

Why are focusing on those things? Being a moral person does not mean that you are necessarily anti-gay!

I believe there were more things listed than just "anti-gay" (and actually, it was anti gay MARRIAGE)

[PlatyPius 5]

there are so many reasons why those without religion choose to live a moral lifestyle. I found THIS article very simple and provides just a peek at how the "others" live .

Again, do they believe in all the things I mentioned in my previous post?

Why are focusing on those things? Being a moral person does not mean that you are necessarily anti-gay!

Should we point out that those posts are hurting, not helping, the claim of the benefits of "finding Jesus"?

For instance: "Being Christian leads to a one-track mind!"

I don't know.....I'm thinking it might be Fred Phelps in disguise......

[incanada1234 0]

Should we point out that those posts are hurting, not helping, the claim of the benefits of "finding Jesus"?

For instance: "Being Christian leads to a one-track mind!"

I don't know.....I'm thinking it might be Fred Phelps in disguise......

LOL!! You yourself replied saying you believed in all the same things!

[Jenn! 918]

Why are focusing on those things? Being a moral person does not mean that you are necessarily anti-gay!

I believe there were more things listed than just "anti-gay" (and actually, it was anti gay MARRIAGE)

Well, will you just come out and say what you're trying to say already?