25,000 Evangelical Christian Youth rally against promiscuity and corporate culture

[chri'stina 190]

Here we are again at the same conclusion as always. People are allowed to protest and you're allowed to not like it.

But if we just settled at that, would anyone ever debate anything?

Discussing why people are allowed to protest does not quench debate. Honestly on this particular issue, I don't know if a respectful debate could happen here. Already apparent by some people, just because they don't like what the ppl were protesting, want to tell the protestors to shut the h*** up. Is that inviting a respectful debate?

Like I said.....they can debate all they want but leave God out of it and stop making the religion I practice look arrogant and hateful.

These people are an embarassment to Christians and ego maniacs that get off on their own self rightousness. And that has nothing to do with God.

Myabe I missed something in the article about them acting hateful or arrogant??? But whatever. So are you saying you agree that people going around having sex(promiscuity namely) before marriage is OK and fine and dandy...yet you say you practice the religion that says you should not have sex before marriage? Now I am confused.... And you are angry with these kids saying they don't think it's ok to do that? I don't know who is really giving Christianity a bad name these days anyway...I think different groups...the self-righteous, and also those who say they follow the bible, while not doing much of what the bible says.

Edited June 6, 2006 by stina&suj

[Traviesa 0]

Here we are again at the same conclusion as always. People are allowed to protest and you're allowed to not like it.

But if we just settled at that, would anyone ever debate anything?

Discussing why people are allowed to protest does not quench debate. Honestly on this particular issue, I don't know if a respectful debate could happen here. Already apparent by some people, just because they don't like what the ppl were protesting, want to tell the protestors to shut the h*** up. Is that inviting a respectful debate?

Like I said.....they can debate all they want but leave God out of it and stop making the religion I practice look arrogant and hateful.

These people are an embarassment to Christians and ego maniacs that get off on their own self rightousness. And that has nothing to do with God.

Myabe I missed something in the article about them acting hateful or arrogant??? But whatever. So are you saying you agree that people going around having sex before marriage is OK and fine and dandy...yet you say you practice the religion that says you should not have sex before marriage? Now I am confused.... And you are angry with these kids saying they don't think it's ok to do that? I don't know who is really giving Christianity a bad name these days anyway...I htink different groups...the self-righteous and also those who are so like the rest of the world in behavior, you didn't even know they were christians.

I think their argument is against promiscuity, not necessarily sex before marriage. One doesn't have to equal the other.

[Jenn! 918]

I think that the reason these threads get so much interest is that they touch the very heart of people. People would not let it hit home so personally and take offense if it really didn't mean something to them. You don't care that peta protests because it really doesn't mean something to you even though they are calling you an animal killer and hater for wearing leather and eating meat. You could care less so you say let them protest. When Christians protest corruption and immorality and state that they are standing firm in their beliefs you are some how offended because maybe it is true.

What I wonder about, is how this is shoving anything down anyone's throat? It's not!! It's them saying how they believe and how THEY will behave. I didn't see them calling anyone whores or anything. They aren't casting stones IMO, they are just taking a personal stand. But even then people hate that just because they don't agree with it.

They are offended because they feel it is directed at them. Like look how good I am trying to be in my life and what are you doing in yours and the people that are offended do not want to look at their own lives and see where they can improve so they call the Christians hateful and self-rightous.

Well, if it's not self-righteous, then what is it????

Trying to be more like Jesus and trying to better yourself every day of your life. It that is "self-rightous" I sure hope I am

But self-righteous doesn't mean that you think what YOU'RE doing is right. It also implies that what someone else is doing is wrong.

Of course everyone thinks that the way they do things is the best way. How would I not be offended when someone tells me I'm wrong and that I need to improve my ways to be more like them? It seems like you're saying that non-christians who are not receptive to these sorts of protests are that way because they are in denial of the fact that they're living their life the wrong way. I just don't think that's the case.

[PlatyPius 5]

I think that the reason these threads get so much interest is that they touch the very heart of people. People would not let it hit home so personally and take offense if it really didn't mean something to them. You don't care that peta protests because it really doesn't mean something to you even though they are calling you an animal killer and hater for wearing leather and eating meat. You could care less so you say let them protest. When Christians protest corruption and immorality and state that they are standing firm in their beliefs you are some how offended because maybe it is true.

Erm.....no.

I dislike these sorts of protests because they always present it as a religion issue, and that only Christians have morals.

I'm about as conservative as a person can be, mostly. My one real break from that is believing that abortion is a personal issue, not subject to public moral judgement. Personally, I'm against abortion. I'm not going to try to force that belief on others, though. As my grandma always said, "Tend to your own knitting."

Me, I think there is too much teen pregnancy, too many teen mothers, too little morality, and too much "acceptance" in society. But those are MY beliefs, and I'm not going to force them on anyone. None of these, to me, is a religious issue. When a group protests against something like teen promiscuity, there is no need to bring religion into it. And don't forget the "Corporate Culture" part of this protest.

From their website (www.battlecry.com):

"A stealthy enemy has infiltrated our country and is preying upon the hearts and minds of 33 million American teens. Corporations, media conglomerates, and purveyors of popular culture have spent billions to seduce and enslave our youth. So far, the enemy is winning. But there is plenty we can do. We need to take action. We need to answer the Battle Cry."

That doesn't sound like kids saying they'll reject something, it sounds like them trying to force others to live the way they think they should. That's what I have an issue with.

"Evangelism and Growth

Without the finances, tools and opportunities to help them grow and entice the unchurched to join their groups, today's youth groups face an unbelievable challenge. The world offers many attractive distractions that have led this generation to the brink of ruin. The church needs resources that dwarf the distractions of this world and attract this generation to the truth.

BATTLE CRY EVENTS

The local church can use our Special Events as a tool to attract and invite unchurched teens to become a part of youth group. Part of the Battle Cry Campaign includes several special events such as stadium, arena and local community events designed to attract the unchurched. Several leadership-training events are also being planned."

See? It's all a big recruitment thing, wrapped up in a political agenda. Gotta save those poor "unchurched" kids from the horrors of thinking for themselves!

Grrrr.... I'll leave it at that before I work myself up into a frenzy again. lol

Just wanted to add.....

(Also from their website)

"LEGISLATIVE STRATEGY

Several ministries continue to work together to inform lawmakers of the plight of this generation and lobby them to pass legislation that protects our teens from the dangers they face while online and from advertising and other electronic media."

I think we've blown the "they're just stating what they believe" thing out of the water.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I think a large difference is that between demonstrating FOR your own rights versus AGAINST the rights of somebody else.

Gay Pride marches are not asking that Christians no longer be allowed to practise their religion. These Christian protests are about infringing upon the rights of others to live in the way that they choose within the balance of the law.

Exactly!

[mercuryroad 0]

Here we are again at the same conclusion as always. People are allowed to protest and you're allowed to not like it.

But if we just settled at that, would anyone ever debate anything?

Discussing why people are allowed to protest does not quench debate. Honestly on this particular issue, I don't know if a respectful debate could happen here. Already apparent by some people, just because they don't like what the ppl were protesting, want to tell the protestors to shut the h*** up. Is that inviting a respectful debate?

Like I said.....they can debate all they want but leave God out of it and stop making the religion I practice look arrogant and hateful.

These people are an embarassment to Christians and ego maniacs that get off on their own self rightousness. And that has nothing to do with God.

Myabe I missed something in the article about them acting hateful or arrogant??? But whatever. So are you saying you agree that people going around having sex before marriage is OK and fine and dandy...yet you say you practice the religion that says you should not have sex before marriage? Now I am confused.... And you are angry with these kids saying they don't think it's ok to do that? I don't know who is really giving Christianity a bad name these days anyway...I htink different groups...the self-righteous and also those who are so like the rest of the world in behavior, you didn't even know they were christians.

People are free to have sex before marriage and that is their choice. What I choose for me is my choice and personal. If someone asked me, I would express my opinion about it but not hold up a sign downtown displaying my personal beliefs. Heck, I could do that all day. Just because I believe something doesn't mean everyone else should too. Many people live very happy lives with having sex before their marriage - and that's ok.

If you want to protest in the name of the Lord then do it to your own congregation and in your own life. Work on the people that believe and set an example yourself.

I like how they pick certain things to deal with too.....how about sloth? Maybe they should work on that one? Oh wait.......many of those protesters actually might be lazy so let's forget about that one.

Unless you are willing to go all the way and practice your life perfectly according to the Bible, then you have no right to tell other people how to live in the name of Christianity. Leave the preaching to Jesus and the bible. And check first before casting that stone.

[pedroh 21]

pwned

[Jenn! 918]

Unless you are willing to go all the way and practice your life perfectly according to the Bible, then you have no right to tell other people how to live in the name of Christianity.

I would go one step further and say that even if you do practice your life perfectly, you still have no right to tell other people how to live in the name of Christianity.

[Traviesa 0]

Unless you are willing to go all the way and practice your life perfectly according to the Bible, then you have no right to tell other people how to live in the name of Christianity.

I would go one step further and say that even if you do practice your life perfectly, you still have no right to tell other people how to live in the name of Christianity.

It is the responsibility of a Christian to teach and if necessary admonish their Christian brothers and sisters.

[pedroh 21]

its different to 'teach' to rather telling them their lifestyle is wrong or that they are going to hell for this or that

but ye, i get ur point.. to tell other christians.. not to condemn other religions or people that do not follow any religion at all..

Edited June 6, 2006 by pedroh

[Traviesa 0]

Please understand me...I said teach or if necessary their CHRISTIAN brothers and sisters...this comes straight from the Bible. It is meant as an instruction to elder Christians to help the younger ones in their faith and walk. It is not an excuse to attack the general public.

[incanada1234 0]

Do any of you non-Christians agree that pop culture is full of filth that children shouldn't be seeing? I think it's the parents' responsibility to make sure their children aren't being subjected to stuff like that, but it's getting pretty difficult to do that when it's EVERYWHERE - TV, movies, the internet, magazines, books, advertisements... I mean, I know sex sells but does everyone have to use that to get publicity??

This is why I love AFA boycotts.

[Sister Fracas 5]

As my grandma always said, "Tend to your own knitting."

I like your gran's thinking... Sounds very wise and uncomplicated.

Me, I think there is too much teen pregnancy, too many teen mothers, too little morality, and too much "acceptance" in society. But those are MY beliefs, and I'm not going to force them on anyone. None of these, to me, is a religious issue.

And one can still live a good moral life without needing or wanting religion.

[pedroh 21]

Do any of you non-Christians agree that pop culture is full of filth that children shouldn't be seeing? I think it's the parents' responsibility to make sure their children aren't being subjected to stuff like that, but it's getting pretty difficult to do that when it's EVERYWHERE - TV, movies, the internet, magazines, books, advertisements... I mean, I know sex sells but does everyone have to use that to get publicity??

This is why I love AFA boycotts.

i think it's better to educate the kids rather than hide the filth from them.. when u teach them bout the real filthy life they can undestand it better than when u hide everything from them and then they discover it with or withouth u

[almaty 19]

Do any of you non-Christians agree that pop culture is full of filth that children shouldn't be seeing? I think it's the parents' responsibility to make sure their children aren't being subjected to stuff like that, but it's getting pretty difficult to do that when it's EVERYWHERE - TV, movies, the internet, magazines, books, advertisements... I mean, I know sex sells but does everyone have to use that to get publicity??

This is why I love AFA boycotts.

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