25,000 Evangelical Christian Youth rally against promiscuity and corporate culture

[*Robert* 2]

Also, the only reason we us bible quotations is so we have a source to back up what we are saying. If we just talked and talked and didn't have sources, how credible would that make us? I don't know about anyone else, but "I" only do it so I have something to back up what I'm saying.

You must realize though that for a non-believer, the bible is not a credible source, so it does absolutely nothing to support your arguments.

You beat me to that one!!!

How anyone can base their beliefs on a book of unkown authors, that has been translated from translations without verification, and which constantly contradicts itself is amazing.

I would be more impressed with people using more acurate and believable sources as references.

yeah..I guess they're just brainwashed morons...what a shame....ppl actually believing in stuff! pfff!! Better go tell all the other religion followers how you feel about them too.

(not really)

I don't need too, because I don't see them quoting chapter and verse every time you turn around!

Sorry, I believe the bible is a joke. Some people don't. You believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to believe. Simple as that.

But I'll make a deal with you... I won't express my religious beliefs ad nausea, if you don't express yours.

(at least you posted something correct!)

Edited June 7, 2006 by roi_aggie

[Elizabethnhenry 0]

This thread is a long snooze and should be taken off life support! Oh no, but that would raise euthanasia and what would Jesus do issues.

[CanGal 1]

Chuckles, its ok to be unsure It really is. I'm unsure sometimes too. But it takes study. Lots of study. and Like I said, I guess for myself I've learned there is a difference between just reading it and I guess having God in me really show meaning in it too me. Because to anyone it can look like a whole bunch of mummble jumble and just stories. It seemed to me just stories too. Finally within almost over 10 yrs of being a christian i'm getting a better stance on what it means to really "Read" my bible. I guess it's hard to explain. I wish I could ... lol

All scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It straightens us out and teaches us to do what is right. 2 Timothy 3:16

[PsychoKat 0]

PsychoKat .... you also have to study the bible. There is a difference between just reading it , and studying it and really understanding what it means. You have to take in the context of the time it was written, the even in which it was written, the culture it was written in and the only way you can interpret scripture is by backing it up with other scripture.... yes i do agree, there are alot of people who take out certain aspects of the bible and tend to forget or ignore others, but in essence isn't that what this is too by secluding one scripture verse? Like I said, there is always need for study and that the only way scripture can really be interpreted is to back it up with other scripture... am I grand at this? by no means so please don't flame me. I have to say as long as I've been a christian, I truly believe within the past year or so God has opened my mind and helped me to see things in the readings that I might not have picked up on before. Can I explain it, no, it's just something personal thats happened to me and I'm sure other people can say the same but I can't say for you cuz well I'm not you. I use to think the way your stating above as well but thats just not the case and I can see that now.

I have read it, studied it, true it was long ago...and no matter how I tried to look at it, those contradictions were still sitting there glaring at me.

But I do know that my bible tells me that Jesus is the only way. We don't make the rules up everyone. I just want people to realize that. I am hoping on the most part it isn't used to scare somenoe into faith. I know the Lord wouldn't want it to be used to scare anyone into the faith. My bible does tell me though in Matt.7:13,14 - You can enter God's kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way. But the gateway to life is small, and the road is narrow, and only a "few" ever find it.

This too was a concept that I had difficulty with. Now, this is how I view this and I'm not arguing your faith on either point, I instead am explaining what I seee ok?

What bothers me about this is the concept of God as the father and creator, only willing to grant salvation to those who praise and worship him. See to me, a parent raises and nurtures their child to see it grow and thrive into a beautiful individual who has a positive impact on our world, even if only by those who's lives they touch. I can't imagine a parent who would bring a child into the world so they could have someone praise and worship them. Who would ignore any and all good the child might do in their lives or people they might help, if they didn't comply with the conditions placed on their parental love, of praising and worshiping them. A parent who while throwing all good things in one aside as worthless without that praise and worship, would instead give his love in abundance to one who inflicted pain, suffering and destruction upon the world, but did comply with the conditions of praising and worshiping the parent. I just have a really hard time accepting that.

[CanGal 1]

What bothers me about this is the concept of God as the father and creator, only willing to grant salvation to those who praise and worship him. See to me, a parent raises and nurtures their child to see it grow and thrive into a beautiful individual who has a positive impact on our world, even if only by those who's lives they touch. I can't imagine a parent who would bring a child into the world so they could have someone praise and worship them. Who would ignore any and all good the child might do in their lives or people they might help, if they didn't comply with the conditions placed on their parental love, of praising and worshiping them. A parent who while throwing all good things in one aside as worthless without that praise and worship, would instead give his love in abundance to one who inflicted pain, suffering and destruction upon the world, but did comply with the conditions of praising and worshiping the parent. I just have a really hard time accepting that.

Ok, I see your point And I understand why you seem to feel that way. There was a point in my life where I thought about those things too. Now this is just me voicing my oppionion once again ok. Nothing to disregard your feelings. Say you had a child, brought them into this world and they took for granted everything you ever did for them and gave to them. Shelter, food, safety, etc. You gave as much love unconditionally as possible and all you wanted in return was the same, some soverence, some gratitude? But instead they just ignored you threw it up in your face and decided they wanted nothing to do with you and disown you, no matter how good they are to everyone else in the world? You see what i'm saying? It may not make sense to you ... if it does yay but I just want you to see that God isn't this hateful being. He loves all of us so much, he just wants that love and appreciation in return. After all look at all he does for us and provides for us. He gives us breath and life. But he also gives us free choice. He created us to love us and so that we could love him, but he didn't want robots. He wanted genuine love. You see God doesn't really need us, but in the end we all tend to find maybe one day we really need him.

i meant to quote the above paragraph lol oops ... just stating it is quoted, i don't want to eb misinterpreted ... man i need to learn how to spell lol, i'm absolutely horrible

[chri'stina 190]

Also, the only reason we us bible quotations is so we have a source to back up what we are saying. If we just talked and talked and didn't have sources, how credible would that make us? I don't know about anyone else, but "I" only do it so I have something to back up what I'm saying.

You must realize though that for a non-believer, the bible is not a credible source, so it does absolutely nothing to support your arguments.

You beat me to that one!!!

How anyone can base their beliefs on a book of unkown authors, that has been translated from translations without verification, and which constantly contradicts itself is amazing.

I would be more impressed with people using more acurate and believable sources as references.

yeah..I guess they're just brainwashed morons...what a shame....ppl actually believing in stuff! pfff!! Better go tell all the other religion followers how you feel about them too.

(not really)

I don't need too, because I don't see them quoting chapter and verse every time you turn around!

Sorry, I believe the bible is a joke. Some people don't. You believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to believe. Simple as that.

But I'll make a deal with you... I won't express my religious beliefs ad nausea, if you don't express yours.

(at least you posted something correct!)

well I never have expressed my beliefs ad nauseam...and if my beliefs get questioned within a thread, I will take the chance to say what I believe.

But as of now I won't write my religious beliefs in this post....I'll just write my own personal view that you have a lack of respect when debating in this topic. So if you can't discuss this topic with respect, I'd gladly not discuss it in a thread with you, but instead with others who want to do it respectfully. Your comment a page or 2 ago about people who follow a religion is because they can't handle reality is only one example incase you were wondering what you said that was disrespectful.

[CanGal 1]

roi_aggie ... your right. you have the right to have you own beliefs. But this thread has kind of turned into just that, people stating their own beliefs. If you don't want to hear mine or others beliefs that don't add up to yours and you don't want to share yours in turn then why do you come in here and post? Just a question ... no sarcasm intended

Edited June 7, 2006 by CanGal

[iceyspots 0]

aaahh the good old religious text debate

[CanGal 1]

Your comment a page or 2 ago about people who follow a religion is because they can't handle reality is only one example incase you were wondering what you said that was disrespectful.

I agree ... if you gonna post, least be considerate of others. Thats not too hard to ask is it?

[*Robert* 2]

well I never have expressed my beliefs ad nauseam...and if my beliefs get questioned within a thread, I will take the chance to say what I believe.

But as of now I won't write my religious beliefs in this post....I'll just write my own personal view that you have a lack of respect when debating in this topic. So if you can't discuss this topic with respect, I'd gladly not discuss it in a thread with you, but instead with others who want to do it respectfully. Your comment a page or 2 ago about people who follow a religion is because they can't handle reality is only one example incase you were wondering what you said that was disrespectful.

oh... my bad... now i'm supposed to be respectful, according to your guidlines?

what i said is what i believe, and i'll say it again... religion is for those who can't handle reality or have an education that allows them to see the truth behind the world, galaxy, and universe we live in.

if you consider that disrespectful... your problem!

[CanGal 1]

Stina, I just want to say that painting you have posted. It's really good I love to paint as well so ...

is it just me or does someone sound like they have an attitude? Talk about throwing something up in someones face ...

[chri'stina 190]

Stina, I just want to say that painting you have posted. It's really good I love to paint as well so ...

is it just me or does someone sound like they have an attitude? Talk about throwing something up in someones face ...

thanks, yes Sujeet's sister is a very good artist, but she doesn't have time to paint much! Here it is, big version:

Edited June 7, 2006 by stina&suj

[CanGal 1]

Haha is someone gonna go crazy now and say they don't believe in painting :-p .... sorry that was probably a bad joke ... lol i'm so lame

[PsychoKat 0]

What bothers me about this is the concept of God as the father and creator, only willing to grant salvation to those who praise and worship him. See to me, a parent raises and nurtures their child to see it grow and thrive into a beautiful individual who has a positive impact on our world, even if only by those who's lives they touch. I can't imagine a parent who would bring a child into the world so they could have someone praise and worship them. Who would ignore any and all good the child might do in their lives or people they might help, if they didn't comply with the conditions placed on their parental love, of praising and worshiping them. A parent who while throwing all good things in one aside as worthless without that praise and worship, would instead give his love in abundance to one who inflicted pain, suffering and destruction upon the world, but did comply with the conditions of praising and worshiping the parent. I just have a really hard time accepting that.

Ok, I see your point And I understand why you seem to feel that way. There was a point in my life where I thought about those things too. Now this is just me voicing my oppionion once again ok. Nothing to disregard your feelings. Say you had a child, brought them into this world and they took for granted everything you ever did for them and gave to them. Shelter, food, safety, etc. You gave as much love unconditionally as possible and all you wanted in return was the same, some soverence, some gratitude? But instead they just ignored you threw it up in your face and decided they wanted nothing to do with you and disown you, no matter how good they are to everyone else in the world? You see what i'm saying? It may not make sense to you ... if it does yay but I just want you to see that God isn't this hateful being. He loves all of us so much, he just wants that love and appreciation in return. After all look at all he does for us and provides for us. He gives us breath and life. But he also gives us free choice. He created us to love us and so that we could love him, but he didn't want robots. He wanted genuine love. You see God doesn't really need us, but in the end we all tend to find maybe one day we really need him.

i meant to quote the above paragraph lol oops ... just stating it is quoted, i don't want to eb misinterpreted ... man i need to learn how to spell lol, i'm absolutely horrible

I understand your view, but we see differently on this and that's ok we each have that right.

[*Robert* 2]

Haha is someone gonna go crazy now and say they don't believe in painting :-p .... sorry that was probably a bad joke ... lol i'm so lame