25,000 Evangelical Christian Youth rally against promiscuity and corporate culture

[mercuryroad 0]

I read some crazy fact and I find it particulary hard to believe and if true very sad that some 70% of old E. Germans are atheist. Is that really possible? How dark and how sad. I pray for them.

oh dear me... Why doesn't it occur to you that atheists are perfectly fine the way they are? Do you REALLY believe that atheists are the root of all evil or something?

I'll never get this idea of well they must need me to pray for them, to save them, when they don't even believe in it. It's like the post the other day where someone said atheists must hold a grudge against God. WHAT???? They don't believe in God. So just as they don't believe in God, I'm sure they would agree that they don't need your prayers of salvation.

Frances, I totally understand what you're saying. But at the same time, I think believers tend to feel so blessed that they have faith and want others to feel that as well. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As for me, a lowly non-believer. Go ahead and pray for me. I, of course, don't feel that it will do any good. But if you do think it will do good, then go ahead by all means. I'd much rather you pray for me than preach to me. If you're right about God, the praying might help. If you're not right about God, then no harm done! Preaching is just gonna P### me off!

Exactly right and thank you. I pray that the Holy Spirit comes upon you. It is then up to you

That's exactly the kind of comment that irritates me. How arrogant.......you can think it all you want but there is no reason to say it other than pure arrogance. As a Christian, I'm embarassed by your comments.

[PlatyPius 5]

Personally, I'd rather swear fealty to the Flying Spaghetti Monster than to YHVH.....

http://www.venganza.org/

[Sister Fracas 5]

Personally, I'd rather swear fealty to the Flying Spaghetti Monster than to YHVH.....

http://www.venganza.org/

may you be touched by his noodly appendage... RAmen

wheeeeeee...I got the Gospel according to FSM for me birthday!!!

Edited June 7, 2006 by Frances

[rclouse 0]

Personally, I'd rather swear fealty to the Flying Spaghetti Monster than to YHVH.....

http://www.venganza.org/

Yeah, the FSM heaven is way better. Stripper factory and beer volcano!

[PlatyPius 5]

Pastafarians Unite!

ROFL!

[Itsmeitsmeitsree! 0]

I read some crazy fact and I find it particulary hard to believe and if true very sad that some 70% of old E. Germans are atheist. Is that really possible? How dark and how sad. I pray for them.

oh dear me... Why doesn't it occur to you that atheists are perfectly fine the way they are? Do you REALLY believe that atheists are the root of all evil or something?

I'll never get this idea of well they must need me to pray for them, to save them, when they don't even believe in it. It's like the post the other day where someone said atheists must hold a grudge against God. WHAT???? They don't believe in God. So just as they don't believe in God, I'm sure they would agree that they don't need your prayers of salvation.

Frances, I totally understand what you're saying. But at the same time, I think believers tend to feel so blessed that they have faith and want others to feel that as well. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As for me, a lowly non-believer. Go ahead and pray for me. I, of course, don't feel that it will do any good. But if you do think it will do good, then go ahead by all means. I'd much rather you pray for me than preach to me. If you're right about God, the praying might help. If you're not right about God, then no harm done! Preaching is just gonna P### me off!

Exactly right and thank you. I pray that the Holy Spirit comes upon you. It is then up to you

That's exactly the kind of comment that irritates me. How arrogant.......you can think it all you want but there is no reason to say it other than pure arrogance. As a Christian, I'm embarassed by your comments.

And as a PRACTICING Christian, I too, am embarrassed by YOUR comments.

[almaty 19]

damn, i hate to see christians argue..cause sooner or later, time to pick on the muslims

[mercuryroad 0]

I read some crazy fact and I find it particulary hard to believe and if true very sad that some 70% of old E. Germans are atheist. Is that really possible? How dark and how sad. I pray for them.

oh dear me... Why doesn't it occur to you that atheists are perfectly fine the way they are? Do you REALLY believe that atheists are the root of all evil or something?

I'll never get this idea of well they must need me to pray for them, to save them, when they don't even believe in it. It's like the post the other day where someone said atheists must hold a grudge against God. WHAT???? They don't believe in God. So just as they don't believe in God, I'm sure they would agree that they don't need your prayers of salvation.

Frances, I totally understand what you're saying. But at the same time, I think believers tend to feel so blessed that they have faith and want others to feel that as well. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As for me, a lowly non-believer. Go ahead and pray for me. I, of course, don't feel that it will do any good. But if you do think it will do good, then go ahead by all means. I'd much rather you pray for me than preach to me. If you're right about God, the praying might help. If you're not right about God, then no harm done! Preaching is just gonna P### me off!

Exactly right and thank you. I pray that the Holy Spirit comes upon you. It is then up to you

That's exactly the kind of comment that irritates me. How arrogant.......you can think it all you want but there is no reason to say it other than pure arrogance. As a Christian, I'm embarassed by your comments.

And as a PRACTICING Christian, I too, am embarrassed by YOUR comments.

I practice my religion too thank you and am insulted by the insuation that I do not. That arrogance is what plagues Christianity today. This outward persecution by Christians gets us a backlash and deservidly so.

[ace13 0]

I read some crazy fact and I find it particulary hard to believe and if true very sad that some 70% of old E. Germans are atheist. Is that really possible? How dark and how sad. I pray for them.

oh dear me... Why doesn't it occur to you that atheists are perfectly fine the way they are? Do you REALLY believe that atheists are the root of all evil or something?

I'll never get this idea of well they must need me to pray for them, to save them, when they don't even believe in it. It's like the post the other day where someone said atheists must hold a grudge against God. WHAT???? They don't believe in God. So just as they don't believe in God, I'm sure they would agree that they don't need your prayers of salvation.

Frances, I totally understand what you're saying. But at the same time, I think believers tend to feel so blessed that they have faith and want others to feel that as well. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As for me, a lowly non-believer. Go ahead and pray for me. I, of course, don't feel that it will do any good. But if you do think it will do good, then go ahead by all means. I'd much rather you pray for me than preach to me. If you're right about God, the praying might help. If you're not right about God, then no harm done! Preaching is just gonna P### me off!

Exactly right and thank you. I pray that the Holy Spirit comes upon you. It is then up to you

That's exactly the kind of comment that irritates me. How arrogant.......you can think it all you want but there is no reason to say it other than pure arrogance. As a Christian, I'm embarassed by your comments.

And as a PRACTICING Christian, I too, am embarrassed by YOUR comments.

ITSMEITSMEITSME, Sorry you are embarrassed by me? or mercury road? I honestly stand by my comment and I wish the same for all man kind.

[Itsmeitsmeitsree! 0]

I am bothered by the number of posts that spend time trying to pick apart the origins of Christian, who did or didn't write and assemble the Bible, and so forth. This thread started as a discussion on whether these teens had the right to assemble and speak about their beliefs. That's what it should've remained, not a tribunal against those of us who have a personal relationship with a loving and accepting God. Those who think they have all the answers to disprove the existence of my God have done nothing to prove that those who march in a St. Patrick's Day Parade (for example) have any more right to do so than these kids did. What if I don't believe in St. Patrick?

Here is something I found when looking for exactly what the First Amendment states:

"The right to assemble allows people to gather for peaceful and lawful purposes. Implicit within this right is the right to association and belief. The Supreme Court has expressly recognized that a right to freedom of association and belief is implicit in the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html#amendments). This implicit right is limited to the right to associate for First Amendment purposes. It does not include a right of social association. The government may prohibit people from knowingly associating in groups that engage and promote illegal activities. The right to associate also prohibits the government from requiring a group to register or disclose its members or from denying government benefits on the basis of an individuals current or past membership in a particular group."

Where in this does it say that those of us who believe in one omnipotent and holy God do not have this right to march and state our beliefs? For those who contend that these teens were trying to "shove it down our throats" of their lifestyle and belief systems...I ask you, why is it different and worse what they did than a gay rights parade (and I've seen one in a larger city) where the people are shouting things like "we're here, we're #######, get used to it!"...and that is just one of the more innocent things I heard. Weren't they trying to shove their beliefs down my throat?

And as for the one who said that we Christians can't say that we're not persecuted...please look again. Some of what happens to us doesn't get the media attention that others who complain do. My own daughterm, as I stated before, got in trouble because she asked, "When is Easter break?" She also wore a t-shirt to school one day that had a Bible verse on it, and I was called at work to bring her different clothes. Yet another child can wear a necklace with the star of David, and still yet others can wear their head scarves (excuse my ignorance for not knowing the proper term)? And my oldest daughter bowed her head, and silently prayed, and lost a recess because of this. This may not seem like persecution to an adult, but to an 8 year old, it clearly is!

All this being said, I am not against anyone showing pride in their beliefs. I believe everyone must be respected for who they are. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with and embrace wholeheartedly those differences. I just ask that I be aceepted as a faithful Christian who has compassion and respect for all races, religions, ethnicities, socio-economic backgrounds, etc. As such, I have earned respect for myself.

Jesus Christ is my savior. It make me feel good to pray for everyone. If it helps you, I'm very pleased. If not, at least I have done what God wants me to do. If I'm persecuted for it, that's ok too. My reward is in Heaven!!

I read some crazy fact and I find it particulary hard to believe and if true very sad that some 70% of old E. Germans are atheist. Is that really possible? How dark and how sad. I pray for them.

oh dear me... Why doesn't it occur to you that atheists are perfectly fine the way they are? Do you REALLY believe that atheists are the root of all evil or something?

I'll never get this idea of well they must need me to pray for them, to save them, when they don't even believe in it. It's like the post the other day where someone said atheists must hold a grudge against God. WHAT???? They don't believe in God. So just as they don't believe in God, I'm sure they would agree that they don't need your prayers of salvation.

Frances, I totally understand what you're saying. But at the same time, I think believers tend to feel so blessed that they have faith and want others to feel that as well. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As for me, a lowly non-believer. Go ahead and pray for me. I, of course, don't feel that it will do any good. But if you do think it will do good, then go ahead by all means. I'd much rather you pray for me than preach to me. If you're right about God, the praying might help. If you're not right about God, then no harm done! Preaching is just gonna P### me off!

Exactly right and thank you. I pray that the Holy Spirit comes upon you. It is then up to you

That's exactly the kind of comment that irritates me. How arrogant.......you can think it all you want but there is no reason to say it other than pure arrogance. As a Christian, I'm embarassed by your comments.

And as a PRACTICING Christian, I too, am embarrassed by YOUR comments.

ITSMEITSMEITSME, Sorry you are embarrassed by me? or mercury road? I honestly stand by my comment and I wish the same for all man kind.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding ace. I meant that I was embarrassed by what Mercuryroad said, though I support his right to say it. I also wholeheartedly agree with everything you've posted!

[Jenn! 918]

This thread started as a discussion on whether these teens had the right to assemble and speak about their beliefs. That's what it should've remained, not a tribunal against those of us who have a personal relationship with a loving and accepting God.

It happens to threads all the time. Questions raised during a debate lead to digressions. What's the big deal?

[Heracles 417]

I find it funny how some christians (minority) always claim to be persecuted. it's like they look for any excuse to be persecuted and almost love doing it.

Come on now. Just look at the Davinci Code.. How about people like Madonna?

Christianity has been under attack for years in the US. At least in Australia there are laws protecting ones beliefs. This means no one has a right to criticise or slander someone else’s beliefs. Be it religious or atheist. 'Most' Christians are sane and normal. We don't go around burning down buildings to make a point.

To the contrary, I dare the davinci code to make a movie ‘challenging’ Islam or for big bad Madonna to slander Islam the way she does Christianity.

[Itsmeitsmeitsree! 0]

I find it funny how some christians (minority) always claim to be persecuted. it's like they look for any excuse to be persecuted and almost love doing it.

Come on now. Just look at the Davinci Code.. How about people like Madonna?

Christianity has been under attack for years in the US. At least in Australia there are laws protecting ones beliefs. This means no one has a right to criticise or slander someone else’s beliefs. Be it religious or atheist. 'Most' Christians are sane and normal. We don't go around burning down buildings to make a point.

To the contrary, I dare the davinci code to make a movie ‘challenging’ Islam or for big bad Madonna to slander Islam the way she does Christianity.

[mercuryroad 0]

Because of the loud mouthed, arrogant so called Christians, Christianity has become synonomous with judgement and the persecution of others in our society.

All of the backlash on Christians was ironically brought about by the open bashing and condemning of others by Christians themselves. I don't know what the fascination is with trying to demonstrate to everyone that you are right and I certainly don't understand the blood lust for wanting to convert everyone to our way of thinking.

That comment about not agreeing is ok because I'm going to heaven is arrogant and yet another example of how Christians are ruining their own faith with that arrogance.

[Jenn! 918]

Because of the loud mouthed, arrogant so called Christians, Christianity has become synonomous with judgement and the persecution of others in our society.

All of the backlash on Christians was ironically brought about by the open bashing and condemning of others by Christians themselves. I don't know what the fascination is with trying to demonstrate to everyone that you are right and I certainly don't understand the blood lust for wanting to convert everyone to our way of thinking.

That comment about not agreeing is ok because I'm going to heaven is arrogant and yet another example of how Christians are ruining their own faith with that arrogance.

Would you consider starting a reform movement, Merc?

I think it would be a definite change for the better if more Christians had such an open mind, and realized that what goes around comes around...