25,000 Evangelical Christian Youth rally against promiscuity and corporate culture

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What I'm wondering is if people have a small space in their hearts for the Great Cthulhu!

[PsychoKat 0]

Those in charge of religion in ancient times, at the beginnings of the rise of the Christian religion used the religion for thier own purposes of control over fellow humans. THOSE IN CHARGE OF "RELIGION" AT THE TIME WERE THE PHARISEE'S AND THEY HATED CHRIST. YES THEY INDEED ON THE MOST PART USE THE CHRISTIAN FAITH OF THE TIME FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES...JESUS CAME, HE CHANGED THAT AND BROUGHT TRUTH TO THE PEOPLE AND THEY HATED HIM FOR IT. HE CALLED THEM OUT MANY TIMES.

First they needed absolute belief by their followers in Jesus Christ as a Messaih and savior so they added to the bible that there is no other way to heaven. THEY, WHO IS THEY? AS I RECALL CHRIST HIMSELF STATED THAT HE WAS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN. WHY WAS HE THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN? UMMM BECAUSE HE IS GOD. HE IS THE SON OF GOD. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIS PURPOSE (WHICH WAS TO SAVE HUMANITY FROM HELL) THEN WHY SHOULD WE GET TO GO TO HEAVEN? HE CREATED ME, NOT I CREATE HIM.

This scared many people on the fence to blindly follow their doctrine. ONLY TRUTH CAN SET YOU FREE

That is a VERY VERY self serving rule for Christianity. Believe us and follow our laws or suffer ENDLESSLY in the pit of hell. I mean really... how can you get any more sef-serving a doctrone as that?

Actually I read the reference to the Bible in the post from Chuckles as refering to Constantine and First Council of Nicaea, how they determined which books belonged in the New Testement, and which books they did not feel fit in. The books that were left out consisted of the Gnostic gospels and the Apocraphya.

Note this was a determination by men, not by god, of which of the multitude of books in circulation at the time pertaining to christianity they felt belonged there based on their conceptions of what the old testiment indicated might be valid.

[*Robert* 2]

Ahhhhh.... to be young and naive! For some reason, Evangelical Christian Youth sounds like an oxymoron, but then again, any thing concerning religion does...

religion is for those people who can't handle reality! the reality is, there's no one "up there" who's going to do anything for you "down here". PERIOD.

talk about shoving things down ppl's throats. Come on, tell us how you really feel!

hehehehe Oops!!! Did I think that out loud?!!!

I hate it when that happens!!!

[ual777 0]

In fact, when has the government ever imposed ANYONES 'freaky morals' on you?

Not on me personally (yet). But what would you call the gay marriage ban that has been legislated in a number of states and is about to be brought up (yet again) on the federal level? That's legislating freaky morals based on some people's faith. Nothing more and nothing less.

So let me get this straight....The legislators did this because of religion.....riiiiiight.

Marriage is not anywhere in the Constitution (to my knowledge). So therefore gay marriage is not a protection in the Constitution.

The subject has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with what people think is right or wrong.

I think that it should be the state's choice not federal. Even if it IS banned, the vast majority of companies offer gay people with partners the same benefits as a normal married couple.

I don't like to mince words, so I will just come out and say it. Being gay is NOT normal. I'm not saying I think that its wrong or gay people deserve to burn in Hell, but it is not normal seeing as it consists of 2-10% of the population.

It is really a tough subject. I think marriage should be left up to the individual states. You want to get married? Move to Vermont or California. If you don't like gay marriage, move to any of the other states. That is the great thing about the U.S....there is something for everybody.

I just pray to God we do not end up like Europe.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

In fact, when has the government ever imposed ANYONES 'freaky morals' on you?

Not on me personally (yet). But what would you call the gay marriage ban that has been legislated in a number of states and is about to be brought up (yet again) on the federal level? That's legislating freaky morals based on some people's faith. Nothing more and nothing less.

So let me get this straight....The legislators did this because of religion.....riiiiiight.

Marriage is not anywhere in the Constitution (to my knowledge). So therefore gay marriage is not a protection in the Constitution.

The subject has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with what people think is right or wrong.

I see. Nothing to do with religion. Just a coincidence that the Christian Right fanatics were the one's pushing this issue. That's purely coincidental. Sure. You believe that if you want to. I don't.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So let me get this straight....The legislators did this because of religion.....riiiiiight.

Marriage is not anywhere in the Constitution (to my knowledge). So therefore gay marriage is not a protection in the Constitution.

Sure but who is it who wants insert (and explicitly define) marriage in the constitution?

The subject has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with what people think is right or wrong.

But.... morality is determined BY religion is it not? Then there's that whole issue of how Bush was re-elected primarily based on his stance on certain social morality issues - Abortion, Capital Punishment, Euthanasia, Gay Marriage etc.

In actual fact, a better example to quote would be the Terry Schiavo case from last year - the government (both Federal AND State) engaged in a grandstanding exercise, embroiling themselves in an issue they had no business to interfere with. That had nothing to do with religion?

It just so happens that a large portion of the Republican party base support comes from the christian right. That's a generalization of course, but I'm not sure you can convincingly argue that pandering to the concerns of a certain religious group plays no part whatsoever in setting government policy. Clearly it does.

I just pray to God we do not end up like Europe.

Hmmmm.... the only real difference there is that church attendance in Europe is generally lower than it is in the US. And government policy in many Euro countries just happens to be different. Right...

[ace13 0]

So let me get this straight....The legislators did this because of religion.....riiiiiight.

Marriage is not anywhere in the Constitution (to my knowledge). So therefore gay marriage is not a protection in the Constitution.

Sure but who is it who wants insert (and explicitly define) marriage in the constitution?

The subject has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with what people think is right or wrong.

But.... morality is determined BY religion is it not? Then there's that whole issue of how Bush was re-elected primarily based on his stance on certain social morality issues - Abortion, Capital Punishment, Euthanasia, Gay Marriage etc.

In actual fact, a better example to quote would be the Terry Schiavo case from last year - the government (both Federal AND State) engaged in a grandstanding exercise, embroiling themselves in an issue they had no business to interfere with. That had nothing to do with religion?

It just so happens that a large portion of the Republican party base support comes from the christian right. That's a generalization of course, but I'm not sure you can convincingly argue that pandering to the concerns of a certain religious group plays no part whatsoever in setting government policy. Clearly it does.

I just pray to God we do not end up like Europe.

Hmmmm.... the only real difference there is that church attendance in Europe is generally lower than it is in the US. And government policy in many Euro countries just happens to be different. Right...

As far as Christians supporting Republicans, that is a fairly new and even risky statement. Christians have a long history of voting Democrat (primarly on social service issues) but have moved more center and right in the past years due to the platforms and voting histories of Democrats that don't coincide with their beliefs. The democrats have gone off the deep end as far as most Christians are concerned (Kennedy, Kerry) and I pray that our leaders see the err of their ways. Republicans aren't free from criticism as well. We should all vote and get the leaders that have no backbone out of office.

So let me get this straight....The legislators did this because of religion.....riiiiiight.

Marriage is not anywhere in the Constitution (to my knowledge). So therefore gay marriage is not a protection in the Constitution.

Sure but who is it who wants insert (and explicitly define) marriage in the constitution?

The subject has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with what people think is right or wrong.

But.... morality is determined BY religion is it not? Then there's that whole issue of how Bush was re-elected primarily based on his stance on certain social morality issues - Abortion, Capital Punishment, Euthanasia, Gay Marriage etc.

In actual fact, a better example to quote would be the Terry Schiavo case from last year - the government (both Federal AND State) engaged in a grandstanding exercise, embroiling themselves in an issue they had no business to interfere with. That had nothing to do with religion?

It just so happens that a large portion of the Republican party base support comes from the christian right. That's a generalization of course, but I'm not sure you can convincingly argue that pandering to the concerns of a certain religious group plays no part whatsoever in setting government policy. Clearly it does.

I just pray to God we do not end up like Europe.

Hmmmm.... the only real difference there is that church attendance in Europe is generally lower than it is in the US. And government policy in many Euro countries just happens to be different. Right...

There is a BIG difference in Europe and USA. Not only is church attendance down in Europe, but Atheism especially in Eastern block countries like the old East Germany, Latvia the amount of people who say they are Atheist has skyrocketed. I read some crazy fact and I find it particulary hard to believe and if true very sad that some 70% of old E. Germans are atheist. Is that really possible? How dark and how sad. I pray for them. I know that there are huge missions going to Europe because there has been a huge increase in people immigrating from Africa and the Middle East and they have never heard about Jesus and there is a huge void.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There is a BIG difference in Europe and USA. Not only is church attendance down in Europe, but Atheism especially in Eastern block countries like the old East Germany, Latvia the amount of people who say they are Atheist has skyrocketed. I read some crazy fact and I find it particulary hard to believe and if true very sad that some 70% of old E. Germans are atheist. Is that really possible? How dark and how sad.

1) Check your sources

2) Try to look a little deeper at what other causes but lack of faith may be in play

Maybe then you can make somewhat educated statements about a people and a region that you, quite obviously, know little to nothing about at this point.

[ace13 0]

There is a BIG difference in Europe and USA. Not only is church attendance down in Europe, but Atheism especially in Eastern block countries like the old East Germany, Latvia the amount of people who say they are Atheist has skyrocketed. I read some crazy fact and I find it particulary hard to believe and if true very sad that some 70% of old E. Germans are atheist. Is that really possible? How dark and how sad.

1) Check your sources

2) Try to look a little deeper at what other causes but lack of faith may be in play

Maybe then you can make somewhat educated statements about a people and a region that you, quite obviously, know little to nothing about at this point.

Now that you have taken your "I am great" badge off, I asked if that could be true. Since you seem to know everything could you enlighten the rest of us O Great One

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._63/ai_92284226

Here it says 54% atheist and 14% aren't sure if there is a god. Slightly better but still quite sad. I will look for the one that said 70%...

[incanada1234 0]

It's only gonna get worse for christians as time goes on, I wish I could not say so. But God states that we all will be hated and a time may come where we have to stand.

Yes, I always think about that when things like this come up, and the hatred towards Christianity. (and hence my signature)

[ace13 0]

http://www.ibka.org/en/infos/europe.html

Here 63%

[ace13 0]

It's only gonna get worse for christians as time goes on, I wish I could not say so. But God states that we all will be hated and a time may come where we have to stand.

Yes, I always think about that when things like this come up, and the hatred towards Christianity. (and hence my signature)

That is why I feel it is so important to reform the One Church of Christ. There are over 30000 protestant denomination in the US. Most of us believe in the same thing! We should unite and put our earthly humanly differenced behind us and work together!

[incanada1234 0]

That is why I feel it is so important to reform the One Church of Christ. There are over 30000 protestant denomination in the US. Most of us believe in the same thing! We should unite and put our earthly humanly differenced behind us and work together!

Well that's the even scarier thing - the closer to the Second Coming it gets, the closer we are to one world religion. As it is today most "Christian" churches are really just seeker sensitive churches that care more about how many people they can get to show up than actually teaching the message of Christ. Crazy world.

[Fuzzness 2]

I find it funny how some christians (minority) always claim to be persecuted. it's like they look for any excuse to be persecuted and almost love doing it.

[PlatyPius 5]

I find it funny how some christians (minority) always claim to be persecuted. it's like they look for any excuse to be persecuted and almost love doing it.

Everyone's gotta be a martyr. lol

When Christians can't maintain public churches, when they start losing jobs because of their faith, when the court takes the kids away from them because of their faith, when they can't be married by a pastor of their faith because it "isn't recognized" by the state, when a Christian soldier's family is told that they can't have a cross on his tombstone....... THEN they can complain about persecution.