25,000 Evangelical Christian Youth rally against promiscuity and corporate culture

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Curiously I wonder what specifically their stance is on 'corporate culture', as apparently its one of the things they are protesting about.

In any case, sure they have the right to protest - just comes down to the means in which they protest. Anti-capitalist demonstrations in Europe, in recent years, have been infiltrated by Nazis who use them to start riots.

[CanGal 1]

They were all just stating how they wanted to live their lives. They wanted to be heard for that. Funny though how it goes though, rarely will people want a relationship with somone whom they feel they don't need. The Bible is filled with stories of people who have actively rejected God, who felt no need for him because their lives were going so well. In Hosea 13:6 he confronted the people of Israel his chosen people for doing that very thing.

It's funny though, that when things are rough, people who state they don't believe in God or don't need God pin the Blame on God. This makes as much sense as a six year old hitting himself on the thumb with a hammer and then blaming his dad. "I saw you use the hammer once Dad. I know you told me not to use it, but I did it anyway. You should have made sure I never hurt myself with it! So it's your fault I hurt myself"

People do the same with God by stating there is no God or "I'm going to take my life and run it the way I want to, If things go wrong it's God's fault.

Nobody can make someone need God, or believe in God, still doesn't mean he ain't there. These kids were just stating that they can't do it on their own. They need God. They want to live an upstanding life. They want to say no to the go with the flow do it if it feels good attitude. They weren't stating you have to believe in what we do.

[*Robert* 2]

Ahhhhh.... to be young and naive! For some reason, Evangelical Christian Youth sounds like an oxymoron, but then again, any thing concerning religion does...

religion is for those people who can't handle reality! the reality is, there's no one "up there" who's going to do anything for you "down here". PERIOD.

[Chuckles 0]

How was jesus teachings self serving? he is documented as one of the most selfless people of all time

Jesus didn't come for his own means but for us as a humanity. He was God, do you think it sounded appealing for him to want to come down and take on human form? probably not, but he did so anyways. Why? because he loved us all that much. I'm not saying you have to believe that, but it's true, if you want to believe it or not. I'm not forcing anything, i'm not disrespecting. Thats just how it goes. If an immoral man was dying and asked for forgivness of sins and asked jesus to save him why wouldn't he be allowed to get into heaven? It's all about the issue of the heart, if it was a genuine prayer then I believe he would be admitted. Like I said, I dont make up the rules. Jesus says he's the only way. I believe that. The End

God ways don't always make sense to me either. But i'm only human, and my mind may not be built to even come close to comprehend his ways. He sees the whole picture, I cannot.

I of course do not plan to change your mind. Believe whatever you want to believe. But just so you understand my position better, what I will explain what I meant by self-serving.

Those in charge of religion in ancient times, at the beginnings of the rise of the Christian religion used the religion for thier own purposes of control over fellow humans. First they needed absolute belief by their followers in Jesus Christ as a Messaih and savior so they added to the bible that there is no other way to heaven. This scared many people on the fence to blindly follow their doctrine. That is a VERY VERY self serving rule for Christianity. Believe us and follow our laws or suffer ENDLESSLY in the pit of hell. I mean really... how can you get any more sef-serving a doctrone as that?

Other examples are the omitions throughout history. Many books were discarded because they did not follow the doctrone of the pope or other Christian 'Leaders'. This is fact. Many words were changed. This is fact. If this was the word of God, nothing would have changed, but it did. Then there is the more modern tradition of picking what supports your agenda, and discarding what does not. If you want examples, I point you to the story of Lot and his daughters.

I think I could go on with further proofs of the laws of the bible serving to subjucate and control the mass population, and I will if you want me to. However, you believe what you believe, and if you wish to turn a blind eye to these things, that is your human right.

Mahatma Gandhi is one of the most respected leaders of modern history. A Hindu, Ghandi nevertheless admired Jesus and often quoted from the Sermon on the Mount. Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Ghandi he asked him, "Mr. Ghandi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?"

Ghandi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."

[Itsmeitsmeitsree! 0]

I was debating about answering in here and now here I am. I may and or probally will get flamed somewhat for what I say but I guess that all comes with the territory of the topic. First of all, I am a christian and I just want to state that in my own beliefs I don't even belief that in itself is a religion. Religion is man made and based upon rituals and rules set before us by man. My beliefs are soley based upon my personal relationship with my Lord. Christianity is a personal relationship (well it should be) in every christian believer. I do believe that there have been many people who give the christians a bad name and a bad rap but i can say i've never met any christian who believed they were ever better than anyone else. We are no better than anyone else. We are just as human as a non believer. We struggle just as much as a non believer. Like I said we are all human. The difference is is that "I" myself have recognized my faults and my sinful nature and I have asked God to forgive me. Can a person live a moral life without religion? Yes I believe so. But just because you go to church, or just because you are a good person, do you believe thats good enough to get you on Gods good side? I am not here to make that judgement, I dont' make up the rules, but all I know is that Jesus said he was the only way. No one can come to the Father accept through me. God has given us all free choice. The choice is to choose him or not to choose him. He doesn't send anyone to hell. We send ourselves if we choose to live a life without him. Again, I don't make up the rules, and I am not here to judge.

Also these protestors were not infringing their beliefs on anyone. They were just standing up for a belief that they wanted to be heard by others. They weren't saying you had to convert or that you had to be like them. Jesus in his time as well taught and proclaimed his beliefs in front of thousands of people at a time. Did everyone agree then? most certainly not.... the people of the church at that time were the one who turned him in!

"Does the world hate you? Remember that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you like one of its own. But you do not belong to the world. I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you." -- John 15:18-19

It's only gonna get worse for christians as time goes on, I wish I could not say so. But God states that we all will be hated and a time may come where we have to stand. He came to die for me so that he could give me life. Not just eternal life but life now in the world. He is my way, my truth, and my life. I can't deny a bit of that. If that means that sometimes I have to stand up and state that I don't agree with something and be blasted down for it so be it. Jesus didn't call me to be a benchsitter. Do I hate those who do not agree with me? Of course not, and I respect all of you and all your oppions. We all have the "Freedom of Choice" and if thats what you choose than thats what you choose. But we all as human beings have the want to be heard and in this country we have the right to a voice. These kids werent being rude, or damning anyone. They just wanted to be heard. Just like everyone else. If that offends people, maybe we should really look deep inside and ask ourselves why? Is what their stating really true? Maybe it's hitting to close to home and there's just stuff in our own live we don't want to deal with? Thats called conviction my friends

I couldn't have said it better myself...and I TRIED!!!

[Itsmeitsmeitsree! 0]

I think a large difference is that between demonstrating FOR your own rights versus AGAINST the rights of somebody else.

Gay Pride marches are not asking that Christians no longer be allowed to practise their religion. These Christian protests are about infringing upon the rights of others to live in the way that they choose within the balance of the law.

I think my point MAY have been misunderstood. I wasn't saying that I am against gay pride marches, or that I am pro anything that infringes upon the rights of others. However, the First Amendment gives me the right to be part of a "Christian pride" parade if I so choose. I just want the same rights for my beliefs that others want extended to them.

My children have been brought up within our church also. They have been given many sides of the story so that when it comes to making a choice of their own, they can have lots of information. But when it comes to school, it pains me to see that so many other belief systems are respected, but ours aren't. My children learn about Judaism, Hinduism, and several others, (and I was happy about this) but my youngest got in trouble when she asked when "Easter break" was! She meant to say Spring break, but she came home in tears because she got in trouble for saying Easter. She (at 9) said, "Mommy, if I can't say Easter, why can Jeremy say Hannukah, and why do we have to learn about Kwanzaa?" I honestly didn't have an answer for her.

And I want to clarify also that I'm not a Christian who goes around with some sort of sanctimonious, holier-than-thou attitude. I'm the first to admit my faults (to God), and the first to admit that I've fallen WAAAYYYY short, and that I would be the LAAASSTT person to thrown any stones. But I must tell God of my sins and ask for His forgiveness. My own shortcomings have enabled me to be much more compassionate and accepting of others. I just wish that the Golden Rule would be something other people would use with respect to me, and not just EXPECT if of me toward them.

[CanGal 1]

Those in charge of religion in ancient times, at the beginnings of the rise of the Christian religion used the religion for thier own purposes of control over fellow humans. THOSE IN CHARGE OF "RELIGION" AT THE TIME WERE THE PHARISEE'S AND THEY HATED CHRIST. YES THEY INDEED ON THE MOST PART USE THE CHRISTIAN FAITH OF THE TIME FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES...JESUS CAME, HE CHANGED THAT AND BROUGHT TRUTH TO THE PEOPLE AND THEY HATED HIM FOR IT. HE CALLED THEM OUT MANY TIMES.

First they needed absolute belief by their followers in Jesus Christ as a Messaih and savior so they added to the bible that there is no other way to heaven. THEY, WHO IS THEY? AS I RECALL CHRIST HIMSELF STATED THAT HE WAS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN. WHY WAS HE THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN? UMMM BECAUSE HE IS GOD. HE IS THE SON OF GOD. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIS PURPOSE (WHICH WAS TO SAVE HUMANITY FROM HELL) THEN WHY SHOULD WE GET TO GO TO HEAVEN? HE CREATED ME, NOT I CREATE HIM.

This scared many people on the fence to blindly follow their doctrine. ONLY TRUTH CAN SET YOU FREE

That is a VERY VERY self serving rule for Christianity. Believe us and follow our laws or suffer ENDLESSLY in the pit of hell. I mean really... how can you get any more sef-serving a doctrone as that?

I believe it is self serving and selfish not to be thankful for such a wonderful and beautiful gift. He DIED so that we may LIVE. thats not self serving at all. It;s not a hard concept either. Either you believe he was God or you don't. He is the only way. He was God's way for us to be reunited with him. Before then only the highest priests could go into the holy of holies in the temple and sacrifice and pray on the peoples behalf. When Christ died on the cross, that was all broke, the curtain was tore, man could be finally reunited with God personally. Thats not selfish at all. Thats a saviour who wants us to love him and who loves us so very much even if we don't.

I just want the same rights for my beliefs that others want extended to them

Ditto

[Chuckles 0]

Those in charge of religion in ancient times, at the beginnings of the rise of the Christian religion used the religion for thier own purposes of control over fellow humans. THOSE IN CHARGE OF "RELIGION" AT THE TIME WERE THE PHARISEE'S AND THEY HATED CHRIST. YES THEY INDEED ON THE MOST PART USE THE CHRISTIAN FAITH OF THE TIME FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES...JESUS CAME, HE CHANGED THAT AND BROUGHT TRUTH TO THE PEOPLE AND THEY HATED HIM FOR IT. HE CALLED THEM OUT MANY TIMES.

First they needed absolute belief by their followers in Jesus Christ as a Messaih and savior so they added to the bible that there is no other way to heaven. THEY, WHO IS THEY? AS I RECALL CHRIST HIMSELF STATED THAT HE WAS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN. WHY WAS HE THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN? UMMM BECAUSE HE IS GOD. HE IS THE SON OF GOD. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIS PURPOSE (WHICH WAS TO SAVE HUMANITY FROM HELL) THEN WHY SHOULD WE GET TO GO TO HEAVEN? HE CREATED ME, NOT I CREATE HIM.

This scared many people on the fence to blindly follow their doctrine. ONLY TRUTH CAN SET YOU FREE

That is a VERY VERY self serving rule for Christianity. Believe us and follow our laws or suffer ENDLESSLY in the pit of hell. I mean really... how can you get any more sef-serving a doctrone as that?

I believe it is self serving and selfish not to be thankful for such a wonderful and beautiful gift. He DIED so that we may LIVE. thats not self serving at all. It;s not a hard concept either. Either you believe he was God or you don't. He is the only way. He was God's way for us to be reunited with him. Before then only the highest priests could go into the holy of holies in the temple and sacrifice and pray on the peoples behalf. When Christ died on the cross, that was all broke, the curtain was tore, man could be finally reunited with God personally. Thats not selfish at all. Thats a saviour who wants us to love him and who loves us so very much even if we don't.

I just want the same rights for my beliefs that others want extended to them

Ditto

I see you wish to misqoute me and put words into my mouth. You have absolutely no understanding of what I am saying. Where exactly did I put down the man, Jesus son of Joseph? Why are you telling me things we already agree about?

I will just give up and wish you a nice day, because you truly do not wish to understand what I am saying... Not believe me, I never expected that, just to understand me. That Ghandi quote becomes more relevent to me after reading your message.

[CanGal 1]

Chuckles, maybe i did misunderstand you, if so I'm sorry. It's not that I DON'T wish to not understand you. I guess I just have a different belief system that guides my thinking system. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted you or misquoted you ... I'll just leave it all alone.

[Heracles 417]

Funny how people in San Fran have no problem backing people who are gay, parading their choice of lifestyle, yet take great offense to anyone else voicing their opinion with topics such as religion or opostition to a gay lifestyle..

Edited June 7, 2006 by haza

[CanGal 1]

Funny how people in San Fran have no problem backing people who are gay, parading their choice of lifestyle, yet take great offense to anyone else voicing their opinion with topics such as religion or opostition to a gay lifestyle..

Isn't that how it always is ...

[Veiled Princess 1]

Jesus son of Joseph

I have to admit that's the first time I've ever heard that one

[CanGal 1]

Jesus son of Joseph

Ya, i didn't even pay attention to that ... hmmm

[Chuckles 0]

Jesus Son of Joseph, a descendent of King David through the Nathan line, and of Mary(Tribe of Dan). Jesus was conceived during his parent' betrothal period before their legal marriage, so was regarded by the party of Hebrews as an extranuptial son of Joseph. Therefore that is how people identified him.

[chri'stina 190]

Ahhhhh.... to be young and naive! For some reason, Evangelical Christian Youth sounds like an oxymoron, but then again, any thing concerning religion does...

religion is for those people who can't handle reality! the reality is, there's no one "up there" who's going to do anything for you "down here". PERIOD.

talk about shoving things down ppl's throats. Come on, tell us how you really feel!