They swerved to avoid hitting an animal, now they are in ICE custody

[theresaL 408]

2 hours ago, HeatDeath said:

I was thinking of posting this yesterday but I got busy. Nothing about this story as presented by that hack at the WP passes the sniff test.

 

A really interesting wrinkle to the NYT version of this story that the WP completely failed to mention was that Canada refused to readmit them.

 

Like, say what? That's kinda relevant. It might even be the whole d*mn story.

 

It's pretty freakin' sad when the NY freakin' T is the balanced reasonable coverage. Every other paper on the planet just reprinted the WP hack job verbatim.

Yes they do, but what's worse is that they still consider WaPo to be a reliable source and people still accept it unquestioningly. Journalism is truly dead, propaganda is alive and well.

[geowrian 22,337]

4 minutes ago, theresaL said:

Yes they do, but what's worse is that they still consider WaPo to be a reliable source and people still accept it unquestioningly. Journalism is truly dead, propaganda is alive and well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/us-officials-say-british-family-illegally-crossed-border-from-canada-on-purpose/2019/10/15/e184cc68-ef7f-11e9-b648-76bcf86eb67e_story.html

“Attempts were made to return the individuals to Canada, however, Canada refused to allow their return and two attempts to contact the United Kingdom consulate were unsuccessful,” the CBP statement read.

[Ontarkie 14,218]

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[Rose711 35]

How could they not reach the British consulate if they are U.K. citizens? Just asking because I’m curious.

Edited October 16, 2019 by Rose711

[JMPM 507]

19 hours ago, JFH said:

My husband has done time in prison here in the US. In fact, he has been in a few jails and prisons as they tend to get moved around. Every single one was kept at a cold temperature, he always tells me. Apparently people are less aggressive when they are cold. Also they are big rooms with little furniture and no carpet. Move all the furniture and carpets out of your house and you’ll think it’s cold. 

 

So this is the only part of their story that I actually believe. 

It also slows spread of sickness. Bacteria isn't going  to grow out of control vs. a humid warm environment

Edited October 16, 2019 by JMPM

[Elif_and_Greg 164]

19 hours ago, Going through said:

In another article I read about this---when asked "what animal were you trying to avoid?"  They could neither identify the species nor describe it.

My money's on jackalope. 

[Lemonslice 4,835]

1 hour ago, Rose711 said:

How could they not reach the British consulate if they are U.K. citizens? Just asking because I’m curious.

Consulates are not open 24/7 - and it's not an emergency. They have to be notified, but they can't "save" them, simply provide assistance in finding a lawyer and communicating with their family, if needed. 

[JFH 12,190]

2 hours ago, Rose711 said:

How could they not reach the British consulate if they are U.K. citizens? Just asking because I’m curious.

Apparently it was late at night. No one’s life was at risk so there was no one to take the call, it was probably a “leave a message” scenario.

 

My next question is about the money. Do we know what currency it was? I’ve seen reports of $16,000 but was that in US dollars? If they had American money with them then it’s very suspicious. Why would they need that if they truly had no intention of setting foot in the USA? 

[HeatDeath 430]

Carrying $16000 cash in any currency is highly suspicious in almost any context (deeply eccentric, at best), let alone in a car quietly sneaking across the US border in the middle of the night (!), containing multiple adults who have been denied US visas (!!), and who are subsequently denied reentry to Canada (!!!).

 

[None of which was thought to be terribly relevant by the first WP "journalist". Propaganda, indeed!]

 

Their being detained is the system working completely and perfectly as designed. You can quibble about the conditions in the detention centers, but there is much more than reasonable probable cause here to suspect attempted illegal immigration, and detaining them pending deportation to the UK was absolutely the correct thing to do.

Edited October 16, 2019 by HeatDeath

[Ed&Midori1031 330]

I find it hard to believe that it took them that long to brake and stop the vehicle after swerving, "accidently" crossing the border.   

[Ed&Midori1031 330]

2 hours ago, Elif_and_Greg said:

My money's on jackalope. 

I second that! 

[Ed&Midori1031 330]

4 hours ago, geowrian said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/us-officials-say-british-family-illegally-crossed-border-from-canada-on-purpose/2019/10/15/e184cc68-ef7f-11e9-b648-76bcf86eb67e_story.html

“Attempts were made to return the individuals to Canada, however, Canada refused to allow their return and two attempts to contact the United Kingdom consulate were unsuccessful,” the CBP statement read.

So I take it they will be stuck for a while??

[HeatDeath 430]

The various articles have said they expect the actual deportation back to the UK to happen this week, perhaps as early as today, but they were picked up on the 2nd so yeah, it's been a little while.

Edited October 16, 2019 by HeatDeath

[JFH 12,190]

They have been released from ICE custody so presumably now deported. 

[HeatDeath 430]

So apparently Canada's policy is to automatically deny entry to any non-Canadian in CBP/ICE custody for crossing the US border illegally. As non-citizens, Canada isn't obligated to accept them, so they don't.

So that in and of itself doesn't imply that CBP is being reasonable here.

 

But the $16k in the car? That's a showstopper for the benefit of the doubt right there. Nobody just happens to be carrying that kind of cash when on an "innocent Sunday drive while on vacation in Canada".

 

Nobody.

 

Either they were trying to immigrate illegally, or they were planning to do some extremely shady cash purchases with that money.