Fraudulent cases slowing us down

[Firenz&Taylor 3]

I look at the rates of denial for AOS for K1 visas which is 18,000 out of 43,000 according to this page https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/NIVWorkload/FY2018NIVWorkloadbyVisaCategory.pdf

 

Maybe not all of these numbers are fraudulent, but it is incredibly frustrating that these people apply for these visas illegally and slow it down for the rest of us.

 

My partner and I have been waiting for over a year now in NY (4 years after meeting) and are deeply in love. I wonder how much faster our case would have processed without fraudulent cases slowing us down.

 

I have made this thread to point out to others that if you know of anyone undertaking marriage fraud, now or in the future, report them to the ICE here: https://www.ice.gov/webform/hsi-tip-form

[Lemonslice 4,859]

I do not think you are reading the numbers correctly; you do have to look at the "waived overcome" column also.  This seems to be for the number of visas issued, not AOS.

 

Long distance relationships are not easy, I would not be surprised that many unmarried couples do not make it to the interview.  

 

I think the delays have more to do with the bureaucracy and security requirements than fraud TBH.

[JFH 12,190]

What makes you so certain they are fraudulent? There are many reasons for denial: missing paperwork, incorrectly submitted forms, lawyers giving bad advice as to what is it isn’t needed, missed deadlines, sponsor income being borderline, etc. 50 per cent of marriages end in divorce. It’s not impossible to imagine that some international couples don’t make it through AOS before they split. I know it’s frustrating waiting for your GC but at least you are together. 

 

My husband was denied a spousal visa (although not for the USA as he is the USC, it was for the UK) and I can assure you there was nothing fraudulent about our application and I can also assure you we don’t love each other any less than you two do. 

[Dashinka 24,519]

I agree with @Lemonslice, and @JFH, you cannot look at the table and draw a black and white conclusion of fraud.  Being refused for a K1 the first time, then overcoming whatever the reason was and eventually getting the visa is what you should look at.  In the K1 case, there were 43,280 applications, with 24,675 and 10,427 visas issued so only 8,178 K1s not issued.  Even then, you cannot conclude that those 8000+ denials were fraudulent applications in total, many folks decide to get married during the process and then move to a spousal visa.

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6 hours ago, Firenz&Taylor said:

I look at the rates of denial for AOS for K1 visas which is 18,000 out of 43,000 according to this page https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/NIVWorkload/FY2018NIVWorkloadbyVisaCategory.pdf

 

Maybe not all of these numbers are fraudulent, but it is incredibly frustrating that these people apply for these visas illegally and slow it down for the rest of us.

 

My partner and I have been waiting for over a year now in NY (4 years after meeting) and are deeply in love. I wonder how much faster our case would have processed without fraudulent cases slowing us down.

 

I have made this thread to point out to others that if you know of anyone undertaking marriage fraud, now or in the future, report them to the ICE here: https://www.ice.gov/webform/hsi-tip-form

Agree with everyone else who replied. There is no evidence that a denial is because of fraud. In fact, it is somewhat irresponsible to draw a conclusion like this just off numbers alone. There are other reasons for denials. There was a thread a while ago where a person got denied because they did not respond to an RFE in time. How is that fraud?

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[yuna628 9,677]

13 hours ago, Firenz&Taylor said:

I look at the rates of denial for AOS for K1 visas which is 18,000 out of 43,000 according to this page https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/NIVWorkload/FY2018NIVWorkloadbyVisaCategory.pdf

 

Maybe not all of these numbers are fraudulent, but it is incredibly frustrating that these people apply for these visas illegally and slow it down for the rest of us.

 

My partner and I have been waiting for over a year now in NY (4 years after meeting) and are deeply in love. I wonder how much faster our case would have processed without fraudulent cases slowing us down.

 

I have made this thread to point out to others that if you know of anyone undertaking marriage fraud, now or in the future, report them to the ICE here: https://www.ice.gov/webform/hsi-tip-form

Fraudulent cases are not slowing things down.

There is nothing to suggest in the chart that denials were the result of fraud. A person has a legal right to apply for the visa - however they do not have a legal right to be approved. People are denied all the time. Some for good reasons, some for not good reasons, and most have nothing to do with fraud.

Yes you've been waiting a year. And? So many thousands. So did many thousands before you even started on this journey. None of it has anything to do with the reasons you assume.

 

K1s used to take a long time, perhaps even far longer than you have been waiting now based on where you sent the application. Some would wait years vs someone that waited barely a week. Administrations come and go. They change things and make tweaks to policies, and there are only so many employees that can handle a case at a time. Sometimes the USCIS shifts cases onto other locations to help balance the load, it helps for a time, before it all backs up once again. K1s got pretty fast for a while, and now have slowed again.

 

We all love our spouses and went through the process. There is nothing fast about it and we had to wait it out. If you think this is bad.. wait until you get to AOS.. or ROC.

Edited October 9, 2019 by yuna628

[geowrian 22,337]

That’s a bold conclusion that every denial is due to fraud. Actual fraud would very likely be a minority of those denials - most are temporary denials pending paperwork, background checks, etc. Some people have waivable inadmissibilities and the waiver takes around a year. Some people are not so lucky.

 

Ineligibility for a visa is very different than fraud. Don’t mix the two.

[JeanneAdil 6,514]

the process is slow not because of fraud but because of the sheer number of applications 

 

According to this site

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/AnnualReports/FY2018AnnualReport/FY18AnnualReport - TableI.pdf

 

there were 9,028,026 non immigrant visas issued of which K1 is a section of that number

and that does not even begin to say how many applications are received

 

We were first denied a K1 and married and reapplied CR1 and he is now a citizen   /  no fraud ./married 9 and a half years now

[SunflowerSweet 1,321]

That’s absolutely not how any of this works.

 

Sorry you’re case is taking a while, but launching some uninformed vigilante movement isn’t going to get you approved any faster.

 

In fact, an influx of unsubstantiated fraud claims would only stand as a possible slow down if energy and resources are directed elsewhere to review cases that otherwise would not be reviewed.

 

There are healthier ways to deal with your legitimate frustration with the slowness of the system.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

21 hours ago, Firenz&Taylor said:

I look at the rates of denial for AOS for K1 visas which is 18,000 out of 43,000 according to this page https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/NIVWorkload/FY2018NIVWorkloadbyVisaCategory.pdf

 

Maybe not all of these numbers are fraudulent, but it is incredibly frustrating that these people apply for these visas illegally and slow it down for the rest of us.

 

My partner and I have been waiting for over a year now in NY (4 years after meeting) and are deeply in love. I wonder how much faster our case would have processed without fraudulent cases slowing us down.

 

I have made this thread to point out to others that if you know of anyone undertaking marriage fraud, now or in the future, report them to the ICE here: https://www.ice.gov/webform/hsi-tip-form

I am wondering what’s wrong with your case that makes it take a year to get approved.

[SalishSea 17,842]

1 hour ago, Nitas_man said:

I am wondering what’s wrong with your case that makes it take a year to get approved.

It isn’t clear from the OP where in the process they are, not is there a timeline.  

 

In some jurisdictions it is currently taking a year or more just to get an interview.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

5 hours ago, Jorgedig said:

It isn’t clear from the OP where in the process they are, not is there a timeline.  

 

In some jurisdictions it is currently taking a year or more just to get an interview.

Just curiosity.  10 years ago the only answer OP would have gotten was the “fill in your timeline” emoji.