naturalization / US citizen question.

[geowrian 22,337]

I gotta disagree still. Stating that a USC does not have an A-number means:

1) The form is wrong and has been wrong for years and years. Nobody caught or corrected it.

2) A naturalization certificate - clear evidence of US citizenship - only includes the A-Number as a paper trail...it no longer applies to the person it was issued to.

3) Once a number is assigned, it is automatically unassigned upon gaining citizenship.

4) There is no documentation of the number going away, either in an individual case or law, regulation, or policy. There is only documentation describing when it is assigned.

5) As it relates to the OP's question, the form is also not asking to list a former A-Number. Again, the form is wrong?

 

I would be more inclined to believe the number still exists than all of the above being true.

 

Edit: Without an official source stating otherwise, I cannot prove it still exists. That would be proving a negative. I can only present evidence of the opposite. That said, I am unsure what evidence exists of the claim.

Edited October 7, 2019 by geowrian

[Hank_ 9,174]

Will it is really simple.  A person must be a USC to file the I-129F.    And USCIS demand evidence of being a USC.    

 

An Alien Registration number is assigned to  NON-citizens.        The A # does show the paper trail to citizenship .. as I mentioned earlier.    Not saying it is "lost or removed" .. 

 

Why does the form ask for it .. don't know.     To prove citizenship is a main requirement .. his passport does this, or his actual naturalization certificate

 

If he lost his U.S. passport, lost his Naturalization Certificate .. but had his A# .. he could recreate the lost documents .. $$$$$          .. like said it is the key to his paper trail.  

 

 

We will continue to agree to disagree ...   

 

 

 

 

 

 

[payxibka 10,045]

34 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

You can liken it to an SS #  .. but it is far from even close.

 

“A” number is short for Alien Registration Number.       It is a unique seven-, eight- or nine-digit number assigned to a non-citizen.

 

A naturalization certificate would have it to show the "paper trail" to citizenship.   But a USC does not have an A#   ...... I looked, I don't have one.    

Your not naturalized 

[HRQX 4,145]

12 minutes ago, geowrian said:

I would be more inclined to believe the number still exists than all of the above being true.

It exists as the "USCIS Registration Number" (formerly "INS Registration Number"). N-550, Certificate of Naturalization: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Verification/I-9 Central/USCIS_Approved_N-550_Personalized.pdf N-560A, Certificate of Citizenship: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Verification/I-9 Central/N-560.pdf In practice it's optional, since USCIS doesn't issue an RFE or denial for not listing the former A-number.

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2 hours ago, Hank_ said:

But a USC does not have an A#   ...... I looked, I don't have one.    

You are a born USC, or naturalized USC?

[Villanelle 4,122]

3 hours ago, Hank_ said:

Will it is really simple.  A person must be a USC to file the I-129F.    And USCIS demand evidence of being a USC.    

 

An Alien Registration number is assigned to  NON-citizens.        The A # does show the paper trail to citizenship .. as I mentioned earlier.    Not saying it is "lost or removed" .. 

 

Why does the form ask for it .. don't know.     To prove citizenship is a main requirement .. his passport does this, or his actual naturalization certificate

 

If he lost his U.S. passport, lost his Naturalization Certificate .. but had his A# .. he could recreate the lost documents .. $$$$$          .. like said it is the key to his paper trail.  

 

 

We will continue to agree to disagree ...   

 

Yes you have to be a USC to file 129f and yes a A# is issued to non-citizens. But those are stand alone facts. Someone may have previously been a non citizen (hence having an A#) and currently be a USC. They would still list their A# because it is their A# from when they were a non citizen. It is still used to identify them in USCIS systems. Thats why they want it. USCIS tracks like crazy. They want to see who you are tied to and who those people are tied to etc etc.  They want to see if you were/are in the system.

[S_&_M 49]

Same situation - Parents were naturalized and I was underage. 

 

For  i-129f Part 1 :

 

40.c - ticked that box

41. - ticked "yes" since I have my Certificate of Citizenship

42.a - had to fill in my "certificate number" which = coincidentally starts with an "A" = my A# ? 🤔

 

That's the only place I filled in the #. First page I put in my SSN

 

 

Edited October 8, 2019 by S_&_M
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