AP Fact Check: Trump's fact-challenged week over impeachment

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/ap-fact-check-trumps-fact-challenged-week-over-impeachment/ar-AAIjGKX?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

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Many facts are getting lost in the process.

He repeatedly lambasted Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, the House Intelligence Committee chairman who is leading the impeachment review, as guilty of treason or defamation for mocking Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy. Neither charge is valid.

Trump also assailed the whistleblower complaint as improperly filed and "dishonest," compared with a "word for word" transcript of the call. Actually, no exact transcript exists, and the acting director of national intelligence told Congress that he believed the whistleblower complaint was "in alignment" with a rough transcript released by the White House.

Trump had a similar playbook to dispute the Russia investigation by assailing special counsel Robert Mueller as biased and saying the inquiry was illegally hatched by Democrats. Those charges have been shown to be untrue.

 

Facts don't matter to those who have swallowed lies upon lies, and keep supporting the lies being spewed buy a well known liar .  

 

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20 minutes ago, abum said:

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/ap-fact-check-trumps-fact-challenged-week-over-impeachment/ar-AAIjGKX?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

Facts don't matter to those who have swallowed lies upon lies, and keep supporting the lies being spewed buy a well known liar .  

 

So are talking about anyone that supports any politician?  Didn’t WaPo give Schiff four Pinocchio’s this week?

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12 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So are talking about anyone that supports any politician?  Didn’t WaPo give Schiff four Pinocchio’s this week?

nah, just those who support a well known liar , when majority of the statements made are proven to be lies, and yet ignorant deluded supporters would find ways to justify the lies made. nice try there...  

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

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2 minutes ago, abum said:

nah, just those who support a well known liar , when majority of the statements made are proven to be lies, and yet ignorant deluded supporters would find ways to justify the lies made. nice try there...  

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

So it is ok to support other well know liars as long as they sound better?  Hey, I get it, Trump is crass, full of hyperbole, but the interesting thing is that everything the Dems in the House are accusing him of doing, the Dems have already done in some form or another.  

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43 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So it is ok to support other well know liars as long as they sound better?  Hey, I get it, Trump is crass, full of hyperbole, but the interesting thing is that everything the Dems in the House are accusing him of doing, the Dems have already done in some form or another.  

"So it is ok to support other well know liars as long as they sound better?" -- nope never said this.

"Trump is crass, full of LIES" (fixed it for you).

 

Maybe supporters should ask "Why am i supporting this liar? Why do i tolerate all the lies he made?" instead of "Hey It's the DEMS, they started it!! They did it first!"

Or could this be the checklist of selecting a leader (as it also reflects one's values)?

 

1. one who lies a lot, so select the one with the most lies (and make up more lies to justify the previous ones)

2. one with no integrity

3. likes to bully others

4. childish 
5. one who can grab a woman by .. hurm............

 

 

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13 minutes ago, abum said:

"So it is ok to support other well know liars as long as they sound better?" -- nope never said this.

"Trump is crass, full of LIES" (fixed it for you).

 

Maybe supporters should ask "Why am i supporting this liar? Why do i tolerate all the lies he made?" instead of "Hey It's the DEMS, they started it!! They did it first!"

Or could this be the checklist of selecting a leader (as it also reflects one's values)?

 

1. one who lies a lot, so select the one with the most lies (and make up more lies to justify the previous ones)

2. one with no integrity

3. likes to bully others

4. childish 
5. one who can grab a woman by .. hurm............

 

 

Like I said, they all lie, so I guess it just comes down to the politics of hate.

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3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Like I said, they all lie, so I guess it just comes down to the politics of hate.

so vote and support for the most well known liar and vote for the one that lies the most!!

 

Quite logical thinking there and really does reflect one's personal value. Nice choice.

Try this: Maybe supporters should ask "Why am i supporting this liar? Why do i tolerate all the lies he made?" instead of "Hey It's the DEMS, they started it!! They did it first!"

Edited October 6, 2019 by abum

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Just now, abum said:

so vote and support for the most well known liar and vote for the one that lies the most!!

 

Quite logical thinking there and really does reflect one's personal value. Nice choice.

Like I said, it has nothing to do with who lies the most since they all do.  It simply is a matter of hate.

 

Enjoy.

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and even in this thread, another "not proven statement" is made by a supporter (by using fallacy - "they all lie" clearly an unproven statement got made but i let it slide).

So let's just say, if they all got caught stealing, we support and vote for the one who steals the most. Right?

 

I am unsure how one is showing the next generation "Remember kids, since politicians lie, we should support the one with the most lies [at least caught so far], and the one with all the bad traits a leader should have.... because... because the DEMS!!"

 

Why care about OATH when the assumption made was that "All of them LIE" , and also, one who thinks like that should push for abolishing PERJURY as "all of them lies". That would surely make covering up the lies easier in court and it will make it more consistent with that line of thinking. 

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1 minute ago, abum said:

and even in this thread, another "not proven statement" is made by a supporter (by using fallacy - "they all lie" clearly an unproven statement got made but i let it slide).

So let's just say, if they all got caught stealing, we support and vote for the one who steals the most. Right?

 

I am unsure how one is showing the next generation "Remember kids, since politicians lie, we should support the one with the most lies [at least caught so far], and the one with all the bad traits a leader should have.... because... because the DEMS!!"

 

Why care about OATH when the assumption made was that "All of them LIE" , and also, one who thinks like that should push for abolishing PERJURY as "all of them lies". That would surely make covering up the lies easier in court and it will make it more consistent with that line of thinking. 

So now the ad hominem attack.  Prove to me they all don’t lie, or the other question you ignored regarding the fact that everything President Trump has been accused of doing has already been done by the Democrats.

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Schiff  has continually lied for more than 2 years..............He said he had definitive proof of Russian Collusion......He is a liar and is attempting to unseat a legally elected POTUS.......just because he didn't like the results of the election....disgraceful.......

 

When the BIG report is soon released, the day of reckoning will come for some folks.......Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and more.

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2 minutes ago, missileman said:

Schiff  has continually lied for more than 2 years..............He said he had definitive proof of Russian Collusion......He is a liar and is attempting to unseat a legally elected POTUS.......just because he didn't like the results of the election....disgraceful.......

 

When the BIG report is soon released, the day of reckoning will come for some folks.......Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and more.

 

  People have been saying that for 2 years as well. 

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9 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So now the ad hominem attack.  Prove to me they all don’t lie, or the other question you ignored regarding the fact that everything President Trump has been accused of doing has already been done by the Democrats.

which bit is ad hominem?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

You made that statement "Like I said, they all lie", please make a case that ALL of the POLITICIANS LIE. Every single one of them.

And while you are at that, make a case WHY people should support the one with the most lie. 

 

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1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  People have been saying that for 2 years as well. 

Soon...very soon.

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15 minutes ago, missileman said:

Schiff  has continually lied for more than 2 years..............He said he had definitive proof of Russian Collusion......He is a liar and is attempting to unseat a legally elected POTUS.......just because he didn't like the results of the election....disgraceful.......

 

When the BIG report is soon released, the day of reckoning will come for some folks.......Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and more.

 

so calling for an impeachment is not legal eh? Show me where impeachment is illegal. funny effort there.

 

 again, i would say, ask yourselves: "Why am i supporting this liar? Why do i tolerate all the lies he made?" instead of "Hey It's the DEMS, they started it!! They did it first!"

Edited October 6, 2019 by abum