New Healthcare Requirements for US Immigrants

[Boiler 45,467]

2 minutes ago, ohcoffeeeyes said:

Yes you're right, not all will, knowing this I can reshuffle what I said but my point still stands. Most people WILL get health insurance, the people that won't don't make enough that is FINE, why can't they be with their loved one? Because they're poor? 

The US has a sponsorship requirement, the UK one is higher, most countries do.

[Crazy Cat 41,836]

2 minutes ago, ohcoffeeeyes said:

Most people WILL get health insurance,

[ohcoffeeeyes 120]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

The US has a sponsorship requirement, the UK one is higher, most countries do.

I know? Why reiterate this to me? You meet the requirement, what's the issue?

[Mrs Ryan Carreras 247]

I have to thank all of you for this.

This actually is a very informative post. 
I don’t think I’ve seen a “debate” on this forum that lasted this long without a TOS violation. 😊

Better yet to see all the viewpoints on healthcare and people (immigrants and Non immigrants alike) caring so much about what to do and how we move forward. 
We definitely don’t always agree on this forum nor will see eye to eye but it’s great to see all the avenues and choices we have for our futures. The good, bad, and the ugly. 
No matter what your stance is.. everyone posting on this topic today cares about our futures and how it hinders or helps each of us or no one would be here bothering to reply. 
That’s the VJ community at its finest. 

🙏❤️
 

 

[Boiler 45,467]

2 minutes ago, ohcoffeeeyes said:

I know? Why reiterate this to me? You meet the requirement, what's the issue?

No issue.

[afrocraft 313]

Anyway this news is just a smokescreen. No one with any serious knowledge about healthcare costs in America thinks that access by immigrants is a major cost driver. But because this administration won't go after excess profiteering by health insurers, drug & device makers, and other providers in health care, they want you to focus your ire instead on poor migrants "taking your health care away from you." From the discussion on this forum, that strategy appears to be working.

[ohcoffeeeyes 120]

21 minutes ago, missileman said:

Very misleading. The statistic is also pulled from this study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223657/) done in 2000, which doesn't at all take in the fact that its dropped significantly since then. This admin misleading to us? Who thought! And also to boot, it was found in the same year that immigrants actually added 100 billion more to medicare than us citizens did, so whats the issue? (https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2012.1223)

 

The change to the rule of mandatory healthcare was bad (I was joking before) and this is something the Trump admin did to themselves, the ACA mandatory rule dropped uninsured immigrants from 32% to 20% in 3 years and legal immigrants apparently take less of a toll and take up less public resources (as they actually lack health insurance less than US citizens) then you'd think. This is according to the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan immigration thinktank.

 

Using visajourney as a anecdotal point of "look no one is getting health insurance " because they're asking how to, doesn't really drive a point home (yes. This is directed at Boiler but I don't want to quote both posts, also you said bingo.) They may legitimately be asking because immigrants are more likely to have a job than a USC (which is hilarious) and because it is confusing moving to a new country where this is a thing. Huh. (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-trump-plays-on-immigration-myths)

 

This is another stupid law, and why is a stupid law? Because studies have proven that immigrants have ALWAYS paid more into medicare than they took out. (https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/abs/10.1377/hlthaff.2018.0309) (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/health/immigrants-give-more-to-medicare-than-they-receive-a-study-finds.html). So what is good about this law? I ask you.

Edited October 5, 2019 by ohcoffeeeyes

[Talako 781]

11 minutes ago, afrocraft said:

Anyway this news is just a smokescreen. No one with any serious knowledge about healthcare costs in America thinks that access by immigrants is a major cost driver. But because this administration won't go after excess profiteering by health insurers, drug & device makers, and other providers in health care, they want you to focus your ire instead on poor migrants "taking your health care away from you." From the discussion on this forum, that strategy appears to be working.

It's not an either or situation.  I want them to go after excess profiteering, fraud, and I don't want to pay for legal and illegal immigrants health care as well.

[Boiler 45,467]

5 minutes ago, ohcoffeeeyes said:

Very misleading. The statistic is also pulled from this study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223657/) done in 2000, which doesn't at all take in the fact that its dropped significantly since then. This admin misleading to us? Who thought! And also to boot, it was found in the same year that immigrants actually added 100 billion more to medicare than us citizens did, so whats the issue? (https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2012.1223)

 

The change to the rule of mandatory healthcare was bad (I was joking before) and this is something the Trump admin did to themselves, the ACA mandatory rule dropped uninsured immigrants from 32% to 20% in 3 years and legal immigrants apparently take less of a toll and take up less public resources (as they actually lack health insurance less than US citizens) then you'd think. This is according to the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan immigration thinktank.

 

Using visajourney as a anecdotal point of "look no one is getting health insurance " because they're asking how to, doesn't really drive a point home (yes. This is directed at Boiler but I don't want to quote both posts, also you said bingo.) They may legitimately be asking because immigrants are more likely to have a job than a USC (which is hilarious) and because it is confusing moving to a new country where this is a thing. Huh. (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-trump-plays-on-immigration-myths)

 

This is another stupid law, and why is a stupid law? Because studies have proven that immigrants have ALWAYS paid more into medicare than they took out. (https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/abs/10.1377/hlthaff.2018.0309) (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/health/immigrants-give-more-to-medicare-than-they-receive-a-study-finds.html). So what is good about this law? I ask you.

As I never said look no one is getting Insurance I am not sure how you can point anything at me. Just mentioned it is a common enough topic. Now some people do have plans, Parents are you enough to work and get their 40 Quarters, but somebody comes over post retirement and they seem non plused, all very odd.

 

Medicare is one of the approved routes to meet the requirement so not sure why you have an issue with Medicare.

 

[Mr and Mrs S 207]

1 hour ago, Kris & Crystal said:

You might want to look at that a bit deeper: https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage-outside-open-enrollment/special-enrollment-period/

 

"Moving to the U.S. from a foreign country or United States territory"

Nice

[marko1111 12]

Ok there is a lot of political discussion here, is there a thread with a more practical discussion or can we start one?

 

I for example have submitted all the paperwork for F2B family immigration and got a notification that I’m in line for the next available interview date.

 

So I will be coming to the embassy just after November 3rd, now what...where to purchase insurance, which one, which ones are eligeble or do I prove that I have savings, but how much do I need...how will this play out for people going for interviews in the short term, where do we find the resources to deal with this questions?

 

 

[Elif_and_Greg 164]

All the trite political commentary aside, I'm more curious right now how the health insurance requirement may be satisfied.

 

My fiance has her k1 interview soon. I guess I'm lucky that it's all before this new rule goes into effect. But if it wasn't, I'd wanna know if me having a full time job with health insurance would satisfy the requirement. Because I'm allowed to insure my wife under my plan. So would the usual affidavit of support and all the job/income requirements likely cover anything health insurance related also?

 

We have seen how many visa approvals were based on a number of factors. So it will be good to learn if there is a combination of things that would satisfy the requirement or if you genuinely have to have some kind of paid health insurance in the beneficiary's own country before leaving. All of it is strange to me, because once my fiance gets here, she'll have to wait so long before she is eligible to work. So okay, if you want to further ensure even legal immigrants won't be a burden to the taxpayers, then make it easier for them to suppport themselves financially, and remove all the red tape and waiting for work permits. Policies such as this health insurance requirement work best if they balance it with things such as that...the mere ability to get a job. Similarly to tax cuts. I like when the government lowers taxes, but the need to lower spending while they're at it.  

[Boiler 45,467]

7 minutes ago, marko1111 said:

Ok there is a lot of political discussion here, is there a thread with a more practical discussion or can we start one?

 

I for example have submitted all the paperwork for F2B family immigration and got a notification that I’m in line for the next available interview date.

 

So I will be coming to the embassy just after November 3rd, now what...where to purchase insurance, which one, which ones are eligible or do I prove that I have savings, but how much do I need...how will this play out for people going for interviews in the short term, where do we find the resources to deal with this questions?

 

 

F2b means spouse or child so I would discuss with spouse or parent what the plans are.

[Boiler 45,467]

6 minutes ago, Elif_and_Greg said:

All the trite political commentary aside, I'm more curious right now how the health insurance requirement may be satisfied.

 

My fiance has her k1 interview soon. I guess I'm lucky that it's all before this new rule goes into effect. But if it wasn't, I'd wanna know if me having a full time job with health insurance would satisfy the requirement. Because I'm allowed to insure my wife under my plan. So would the usual affidavit of support and all the job/income requirements likely cover anything health insurance related also?

 

We have seen how many visa approvals were based on a number of factors. So it will be good to learn if there is a combination of things that would satisfy the requirement or if you genuinely have to have some kind of paid health insurance in the beneficiary's own country before leaving. All of it is strange to me, because once my fiance gets here, she'll have to wait so long before she is eligible to work. So okay, if you want to further ensure even legal immigrants won't be a burden to the taxpayers, then make it easier for them to support themselves financially, and remove all the red tape and waiting for work permits. Policies such as this health insurance requirement work best if they balance it with things such as that...the mere ability to get a job. Similarly to tax cuts. I like when the government lowers taxes, but the need to lower spending while they're at it.  

She can be added tio your plan as soon as you marry. Basically you have mentioned why the K1 has so many issues and why it is not recommended under most situations.

[marko1111 12]

Just now, Boiler said:

F2b means spouse or child so I would discuss with spouse or parent what the plans are.

F2B means unmarried son and daughter over 21 there is nothing to discuss with the parent, I need to figure out how to satisfy the insurance requirment for my visa interview coming up in abouth a month or more.