America’s Abortion Rate Has Dropped to Its Lowest Ever

[luckytxn 2,264]

2 hours ago, NikLR said:

 

This is the science I speak of. You have decided that an embryo and a fetus = a baby and I am saying science disagrees with you. 

 

You can't even keep up with that you've already talked about in this thread? wow

Because we are talking about something else that science had nothing to do with. You are talking about two things when we are talking about one. If you want to go back and chat about that we can but it should have been back when we were on that topic. The topic now is the government owns our bodies and the whys of that.

 

 I did explain with steel the whys of what I said and will not change. Science has nothing to do with that also. I will post as I see fit and you and no one can make me do different. I see them as babies and will always be that way and will post that way. I hope this is clear to you. Science has nothing to do with it at all.

Edited September 22, 2019 by luckytxn

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

As long as repubs and Democrats keep us arguing about abortion,  we wont argue about how borh sides are corrupt. 

[TBoneTX 45,309]

11 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

You all could have all saved yourself a lot of time and research by releazing

Isn't this what landlords do with recently vacated housing units?

[Boris Farage 353]

On 9/18/2019 at 5:54 PM, laylalex said:

That is a really interesting question. I was heartened to see the number of medication abortions had increased. Earlier in a pregnancy can mean fewer complications. I had a medication abortion and while it was not the most comfortable thing in my life, it was tolerable. 

Once again, the solution is much easier than you and most women are making it: be more responsible. If you don't want to be faced with a terrible decision, then make better choices to start with. It really is as easy as that.

[laylalex 7,285]

12 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

Relax, nobody wants to take your abortions away from you.

That's simply not true. While I am safe in California, what if I were to move to Alabama? Or Indiana? Not that I would, but if politicians get their way there, I'd have no way to access abortion care without having to travel. Of course, I have more options than most because of my socioeconomic status. I *can* travel and stay for as long as I need to obtain what is a SAFE procedure. Poor women can't. I'm not just thinking of myself.

[laylalex 7,285]

22 minutes ago, Boris Farage said:

Once again, the solution is much easier than you and most women are making it: be more responsible. If you don't want to be faced with a terrible decision, then make better choices to start with. It really is as easy as that.

Oh god, you again? I already told you, I was in a difficult position I hadn't anticipated. I thought I was doing the *right* thing and it turned out something went wrong. Contraception FAILS. The only thing that's 100% effective against pregnancy is not having sex. 

[Boris Farage 353]

2 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Of course, I have more options than most because of my socioeconomic status.

And you wonder why some might want to "take your abortions away."

[Boris Farage 353]

1 minute ago, laylalex said:

Oh god, you again? I already told you, I was in a difficult position I hadn't anticipated. I thought I was doing the *right* thing and it turned out something went wrong. Contraception FAILS. The only thing that's 100% effective against pregnancy is not having sex. 

Contraception seems to fail frequently in your case. You may want to consider abstinence.

[laylalex 7,285]

2 minutes ago, Boris Farage said:

And you wonder why some might want to "take your abortions away."

 

1 minute ago, Boris Farage said:

Contraception seems to fail frequently in your case. You may want to consider abstinence.

I'm not even going to dignify these comments with a reply. One time it failed, I think. I don't even know for certain, which is HOW I ended up in the situation I found myself in. It's possible it didn't. I'm not saying I had the best judgment at that time in taking my former boyfriend back and accepting his apology. I got swept away in the romance of the moment and I did something stupid. I have moved on from then. 

[Boris Farage 353]

2 minutes ago, laylalex said:

I'm not saying I had the best judgment at that time

Exactly. Can you see then why "the right to choose" is a fallacy? If you didn't have the "best judgement" to get into the situation, why should your judgment be trusted in how you want to get out of it?

[laylalex 7,285]

1 minute ago, Boris Farage said:

Exactly. Can you see then why "the right to choose" is a fallacy? If you didn't have the "best judgement" to get into the situation, why should your judgment be trusted in how you want to get out of it?

Because I'm not a child? Because I am an adult human with agency? You sound like you would have condemned me to carry a child to term when I did not wish to. I did what was right -- I did not wish to put either of the men in an even more complicated position than we already were in. We were all able to move on. I am sorry about your ex-wife and what she did to you. I know it caused you a lot of pain, but please don't project that pain onto me and my situation. I am older and wiser now, but even if I weren't, I should STILL have the option because it is MY body.

You are still young -- becoming a father is very much in the cards for you! I hope things work out with that woman you were talking about the other week. ❤️ You deserve some happiness. I used to be very bitter after my split, but falling in love again has healed so many of those wounds. 

[Shiran 1,134]

15 minutes ago, Boris Farage said:

Can you see then why "the right to choose" is a fallacy?

The alternative is putting trust into Gileadic despotic government that "always knows best" Having facility to make choices doesn't say anything about those choices having to be right or correct either in short or long term. Even in society where unwanted child can be easily and trouble-free adopted upon birth with no financial burden being passed on to either of the bio-parents, three is still gestation toll that has to be paid solely by the physical body and brain of the child bearer. If they are unable or unwilling to pay it, a law forcing them always be subverted, often in unsafe ways. Until some point, presumably far into the future, when embryos can be safely extracted and gestate in vitro, that is not changing. 

[NikLR 13,227]

1 hour ago, Boris Farage said:

Once again, the solution is much easier than you and most women are making it: be more responsible. If you don't want to be faced with a terrible decision, then make better choices to start with. It really is as easy as that.

There are plenty of reasons women have to faced with a terrible decision, and I am guessing that MOST of them are not due to irresponsibility. Women have gotten pregnant using condoms and hormonal birth control while in committed relationships but have no desire to have children.  Women have been raped and become pregnant.  They have been coerced into sex they do not want nor are ready for.  I have yet to meet a woman, who has had an abortion, who uses it like some sort of birth control like you're suggesting. That's not to say they don't exist, but they are in the extreme minority.  

 

Are you suggesting instead that every woman be forced to carry to term and those children then put up for adoption? Or are you forcing a woman to also become a parent?  

[Dashinka 24,512]

54 minutes ago, Shiran said:

The alternative is putting trust into Gileadic despotic government that "always knows best" Having facility to make choices doesn't say anything about those choices having to be right or correct either in short or long term. Even in society where unwanted child can be easily and trouble-free adopted upon birth with no financial burden being passed on to either of the bio-parents, three is still gestation toll that has to be paid solely by the physical body and brain of the child bearer. If they are unable or unwilling to pay it, a law forcing them always be subverted, often in unsafe ways. Until some point, presumably far into the future, when embryos can be safely extracted and gestate in vitro, that is not changing. 

Interesting, you could say the same thing about gun control and a potential leftist despotic government.

[Shiran 1,134]

8 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Interesting, you could say the same thing about gun control and a potential leftist despotic government.

Yes, it is one of the problems of living in high density cities where people have to congregate and interact with each other. The issue with gun doesn't come from individual B having a bit of an arsenal on their private property that they use for .... whatever .. gun range, maybe some hunting, blowing watermelons, regardless. It is all good fun. The issues arises when guns become so common and prevalent they start affecting society as a whole, including people who made their own personal choice of nothing to do with guns at all. If every gun owner and seller were perfectly responsible, there would be no need for government interference, unfortunately, due to choices made, this is far from being the case. So now you have a need of jumpy, heavily armed, and questionable trained police force, with their own unaddressed psychological hang ups and preconceptions that lead to things like 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67TFsWLyd5I&t=42s

(warning: disturbing video)  
Technological solutions might be possible in the future with biometrically locked guns, in the mean time, much like with cigarettes, the society is getting to the point of enough is enough, which leads to business making a decision to curb gun and ammo sales, or put restrictions regardless of the local laws.