America’s Abortion Rate Has Dropped to Its Lowest Ever

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

17 minutes ago, laylalex said:

On what basis besides a hunch? Not trying to be argumentative, I'd just like to know.  

Absolutely no basis besides lots of years of sniffing out BS. I just know things. I don't need facts to be correct. 

 

Much like Joe Biden I choose truth over facts 

[laylalex 7,284]

12 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Absolutely no basis besides lots of years of sniffing out BS. I just know things. I don't need facts to be correct. 

 

Much like Joe Biden I choose truth over facts 

While this bit made me smile, I'm still going with facts.  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

8 hours ago, laylalex said:

While this bit made me smile, I'm still going with facts.  

Fact:  Abortions increased from 638,169 in 2015 to 862,000 in 2017.  This is an increase, not a decrease.

Fact: I cannot seem to find ANY data on abortions in 2016.  

Fact: The article in the OP is incorrect - 

"The institute estimated that there were about 862,000 abortions in 2017, nearly 200,000 fewer than in 2011. The abortion rate — the number of abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age — dropped to 13.5 in 2017 from 16.9 in 2011, the lowest rate since abortion became legal nationwide in 1973. "  See below from an article in the WAPO from last year

 

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2018/11/21/number-abortions-us-hits-historic-low/

Fact: Abrotion rates dropped significantly in recent years.  But 2017 spiked up from 2015, and data from 2016 seems to be missing.

FACT: NB2's suspicion of the cooked data seems to be on target, unless someone can show data to the contrary (2016 abortion numbers & rates would be appreciated).

 

One more fact:  The data appears to be... off a bit between the Gute folks and the CDC- 

 

https://nrlc.org/uploads/factsheets/FS01AbortionintheUS.pdf

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

12 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

Fact:  Abortions increased from 638,169 in 2015 to 862,000 in 2017.  This is an increase, not a decrease.

Fact: I cannot seem to find ANY data on abortions in 2016.  

Fact: The article in the OP is incorrect - 

"The institute estimated that there were about 862,000 abortions in 2017, nearly 200,000 fewer than in 2011. The abortion rate — the number of abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age — dropped to 13.5 in 2017 from 16.9 in 2011, the lowest rate since abortion became legal nationwide in 1973. "  See below from an article in the WAPO from last year

 

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2018/11/21/number-abortions-us-hits-historic-low/

Fact: Abrotion rates dropped significantly in recent years.  But 2017 spiked up from 2015, and data from 2016 seems to be missing.

FACT: NB2's suspicion of the cooked data seems to be on target, unless someone can show data to the contrary (2016 abortion numbers & rates would be appreciated).

 

One more fact:  The data appears to be... off a bit between the Gute folks and the CDC- 

 

https://nrlc.org/uploads/factsheets/FS01AbortionintheUS.pdf

Anyone with any basic reasoning skills knew that data was off

[NikLR 13,227]

On 9/19/2019 at 11:28 AM, luckytxn said:

And I expect the lack of enlightenment from you and others as usual.

If you feel that it's okay to control a woman's uterus, then let me control your right arm.  See how ya feel about that one. 

[luckytxn 2,264]

7 minutes ago, NikLR said:

If you feel that it's okay to control a woman's uterus, then let me control your right arm.  See how ya feel about that one. 

Go ahead. The government already owns my body and yours now anyway and says what I am allowed to place inside my body and what I am not allowed to place inside. The government yearly makes new laws outlawing what I can do and can't do with my body in the privacy of my home. So why is a woman exempt from this and allowed to do whatever she wants with her body?  War on drugs sound familiar? I am sure it does and both major parties constantly try to do outdo each other in outlawing what I can do with my body. Now the latest is the contest in trying to outlaw what I am allowed to hear and my thoughts on anything. There are also many laws on what I am allowed to do with my body and what I can't that are too numerous to list here. So try and control my right arm but in Texas you touch me or threaten my space and I will say that I am a CHL and will take out any threats. That allowance is being tried to take away from me though. Good luck until the 2nd amendment is finally repealed on trying to do anything with my right arm against my will. 

Edited September 21, 2019 by luckytxn

[NikLR 13,227]

6 minutes ago, luckytxn said:

Go ahead. The government already owns my body and yours now anyway and says what I am allowed to place inside my body and what I am not allowed to place inside. The government yearly makes new laws outlawing what I can do and can't do with my body in the privacy of my home. So why is a woman exempt from this and allowed to do whatever she wants with her body? 

Interesting belief that you have no self will or input into what you can and cannot do.  Explains your point of view completely. G'day

[luckytxn 2,264]

4 minutes ago, NikLR said:

Interesting belief that you have no self will or input into what you can and cannot do.  Explains your point of view completely. G'day

You have no idea whatsoever what self will I have or don't but thank you for playing and losing this game and yes have a G'day mate.

[Shiran 1,134]

13 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

FACT: NB2's suspicion of the cooked data seems to be on target, unless someone can show data to the contrary (2016 abortion numbers & rates would be appreciated).

Data fromm different sources, and some "interpolated" 

Edited September 21, 2019 by Shiran

[NikLR 13,227]

1 hour ago, luckytxn said:

You have no idea whatsoever what self will I have or don't but thank you for playing and losing this game and yes have a G'day mate.

You stated it. Not me. You said the government owns you.  I know for a fact they don't own me. So who's problem is this?  Apparently I was not the one who lost the game.  If the game you speak of is to change someone's mind, well that is a game that is never won.  I refuse to play that game my boy.  

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Also since relevant to this conversation 

 

The good thing about Science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. - Neil deGrasse Tyson

Edited September 21, 2019 by NikLR

[luckytxn 2,264]

1 hour ago, NikLR said:

You stated it. Not me. You said the government owns you.  I know for a fact they don't own me. So who's problem is this?  Apparently I was not the one who lost the game.  If the game you speak of is to change someone's mind, well that is a game that is never won.  I refuse to play that game my boy.  

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Also since relevant to this conversation 

 

The good thing about Science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. - Neil deGrasse Tyson

The government says what you are allowed to place inside that body and what you are not allowed to place inside that body. They make new laws yearly placing new restrictions on what I am allowed to do in the privacy of my own home. Whose body is it then and If it is my body and not the governments than why am I being restricted on what I can ingest and even things I want to do with my body? Also never stated having no will or not in the conversation but you have brought that in on your own.

 

That has nothing to do with this conversation. What does science have to do with this?

Edited September 21, 2019 by luckytxn
Because I can and felt like doing so.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Don't forget taxation on everything. I have to pay sales tax on my vehicle.  I have to pay for the privilege of driving it via a DL and registration. I am required to purchase insurance in order to register it.  I have to pay tax to fuel it.  I have to pay to park and enjoy the beach.  

 

That's a whole lot of government involvement for me to enjoy a day at the beach.

[yuna628 9,676]

I think that some of you in this disagreement are relatively on the same page even though you come at it from a different approach. The government has no place regulating the body and what one can do with it provided there is legal consent and it is not violating life, liberty, and happiness. We know that the government overreaches consistently, and that does not mean we should shrug our shoulders and say ''oh well'' not a thing we can do about it. The government does not own me. It does not own my thoughts, reasoning, feelings, or spirit. It may like to think that it does, it may try on a regular basis, but it fundamentally does not. It does not own my beliefs or who I am as a person. If we are to be a free people, that freedom needs to mean something.

[luckytxn 2,264]

19 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I think that some of you in this disagreement are relatively on the same page even though you come at it from a different approach. The government has no place regulating the body and what one can do with it provided there is legal consent and it is not violating life, liberty, and happiness. We know that the government overreaches consistently, and that does not mean we should shrug our shoulders and say ''oh well'' not a thing we can do about it. The government does not own me. It does not own my thoughts, reasoning, feelings, or spirit. It may like to think that it does, it may try on a regular basis, but it fundamentally does not. It does not own my beliefs or who I am as a person. If we are to be a free people, that freedom needs to mean something.

This is what I am saying. If the government can legislate and tell me what I can do or can't with my body then they certainly can tell a woman the same thing. Many woman feel like it is their body and their say so only if they want to have an abortion or not but many want to have laws saying what others can do with their bodies in the privacy of their own home.  Since the Feds constantly make new laws regulating what I can do or not then they are the owners of my body.  If woman have that right then I want the same right. So don't be surprised if the supreme court changes and starts allowing a restriction on abortions and what woman can do with their bodies. It is a new time  in history and control of the populace is here to stay.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

9 minutes ago, luckytxn said:

This is what I am saying. If the government can legislate and tell me what I can do or can't with my body then they certainly can tell a woman the same thing. Many woman feel like it is their body and their say so only if they want to have an abortion or not but many want to have laws saying what others can do with their bodies in the privacy of their own home.  Since the Feds constantly make new laws regulating what I can do or not then they are the owners of my body.  If woman have that right then I want the same right. So don't be surprised if the supreme court changes and starts allowing a restriction on abortions and what woman can do with their bodies. It is a new time  in history and control of the populace is here to stay.

I dont believe the government has a right to tell a women what she can or can not do with her body.. That includes paying for her abortions or contraceptives, or 5 babies with 5 different baby daddy for that matter . If the govt is going to stay out of her choices lets stay out 100%