B1 Visa and Esta denied. Possibility of arrival by land?

[Hapyhands 3]

8 minutes ago, gregcrs2 said:

So what's the REAL story here?  Because this whole story about arts & crafts projects is simply not believable.    

 

3 minutes ago, USS_Voyager said:

 

Ok, what exactly are these projects and events that you want to work on "just for fun"

I suppose the 'arts and crafts' you seem so interested in are not the main reason for the visit but are still things we like to do together. It is mainly to travel and show her some of my country and hopefully go to some events and workshops together. The only real 'rush' is that she wants to come soon and so do I. Just trying to figure out the best options or possibilities for that to happen. 

[Hapyhands 3]

14 minutes ago, Letspaintcookies said:

She was denied for ESTA. Why should she get any other waiver?

That is a good point. Just wanting to see if there are options.

[gregcrs2 1,778]

1 minute ago, timjohnson91 said:

 

I suppose the 'arts and crafts' you seem so interested in are not the main reason for the visit but are still things we like to do together. It is mainly to travel and show her some of my country and hopefully go to some events and workshops together. The only real 'rush' is that she wants to come soon and so do I. Just trying to figure out the best options or possibilities for that to happen. 

Well, time for the two of you to try a Plan B meaning you can travel to Estonia or meet in some other country.  She will not be getting into the USA anytime soon after getting a denied B visa and denied ESTA. 

[Hapyhands 3]

1 minute ago, gregcrs2 said:

Well, time for the two of you to try a Plan B meaning you can travel to Estonia or meet in some other country.  She will not be getting into the USA anytime soon after getting a denied B visa and denied ESTA. 

Not what I want to hear but thank you for the info 

[Boiler 45,913]

Best bet would be for you to visit.

[SalishSea 18,073]

She was denied a B visa, and ESTA, and you want her to try to sneak across the Canadian border to work?

[Juliet57 304]

2 hours ago, timjohnson91 said:

My friend from Estonia had applied for a B1 visa about 3 months ago and was denied and recently applied for the Esta and was also denied.

She is interested in trying to the US arrive by land from either Canada or Mexico by filling out the I-94w.  

We are wondering about the best options in getting her here soon and if anyone has experienced the same or similar situation. 

We understand she can still technically enter by land without the Esta but want to know the likelyhood for her to be admitted this way or if there are any other/better options for her.

 

Thanks,

Timothy

 

 

 

It doesn't matter if she arrives by land or air, she would still need to show her visa or ESTA at the boarder. 

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8 minutes ago, Juliet57 said:

It doesn't matter if she arrives by land or air, she would still need to show her visa or ESTA at the boarder. 

CBP states otherwise: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/1258/~/esta---traveling-to-u.s.-by-land

[USS_Voyager 1,972]

Long story short, CBP still can and will most likely deny her entry from Canada via a land border once they see that her ESTA and visa were denied.

Edited September 18, 2019 by USS_Voyager

[SalishSea 18,073]

OP, maybe just meet in Canada instead?

[Allaboutwaiting 2,503]

Why did she apply for a B1 when she could have traveled with the ESTA in the first place? 

In general an ESTA is denied after a B1 is denied. Entry with an I-94W will very likely be denied too.

 

[gregcrs2 1,778]

2 minutes ago, Allaboutwaiting said:

Why did she apply for a B1 when she could have traveled with the ESTA in the first place? 

In general an ESTA is denied after a B1 is denied. Entry with an I-94W will very likely be denied too.

 

Most likely because B visa can stay up to 6 months and ESTA stay is up to 90 days.

[Allaboutwaiting 2,503]

3 minutes ago, gregcrs2 said:

Most likely because B visa can stay up to 6 months and ESTA stay is up to 90 days.

From what I've read around here, people from VWP countries who apply for a B1 are most of the times denied. 

So given the outcome, applying for a B1 was not the best choice. 

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

19 minutes ago, USS_Voyager said:

Long story short, CBP still can and will most likely deny her entry from Canada via a land border once they see that her ESTA and visa were denied.

This. It is going to be patently obvious for what it is: an attempt to “sneak in” having been denied two other routes.

Estonia is beautiful, have you visited? A trip to the Baltics (soon, before it starts getting cold) is definitely not the worst alternative to her coming here that can think of. 

 

17 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

OP, maybe just meet in Canada instead?

I was going to say this is a good idea. Then I remembered the US and Canada share info, and that the Canadian eTA also asks if you’ve ever been refused a visa anywhere, and I started wondering if she would even get authorization to enter Canada with this history.

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2 hours ago, Juliet57 said:

It doesn't matter if she arrives by land or air, she would still need to show her visa or ESTA at the boarder. 

Nobody shows an ESTA at the border. ESTA is a travel authorization only. It lets you board the plane and nothing else.

The VWP is what is used to enter without a visa. This can be done by land directly. Although as others noted, the likelihood of being granted admission here is quite low.