For 1 in 16 US women, their first experience with sexual intercourse was rape, study says

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

 

I am going to call activist BS on this. I dont condone violence against women, but no way tis this high

 

For 1 in 16 US women, their first experience with sexual intercourse was rape, study says

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/brett-kavanaugh-mitch-mcconnell-lindsey-graham-impeachment-calls

[Steeleballz 7,550]

 

 

   Did you link to the wrong story? This one is about McConnell saying the Democrats  political behavior is not normal. I'm not sure how McConnell would have a clue what normal political behavior is either. Anyway I'll let you clarify before I end up off topic.

Edited September 16, 2019 by Steeleballz

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

17 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

   Did you link to the wrong story? This one is about McConnell saying the Democrats  political behavior is not normal. I'm not sure how McConnell would have a clue what normal political behavior is either. Anyway I'll let you clarify before I end up off topic.

Well holy ####### Batman

 

Even I screw up once in a while

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/16/health/sexual-initiation-forced-united-states-study/index.html

 

I am the Joe Biden of VJ

 

Off topic before the 5th post would be in poor taste . Its like white after Labor day or Bourbon before the GA/Fl game. Its just not done 

Edited September 16, 2019 by Nature Boy 2.0

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22 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Well holy ####### Batman

 

Even I screw up once in a while

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/16/health/sexual-initiation-forced-united-states-study/index.html

 

I am the Joe Biden of VJ

 

Off topic before the 5th post would be in poor taste . Its like white after Labor day or Bourbon before the GA/Fl game. Its just not done 

 

[Dashinka 24,747]

Just wondering  if this includes the “L”’s.

[yuna628 9,700]

I'm sorry that you don't find such statistics accurate NB. What number would make you more comfortable in considering it?

 

The actual study states that it occurred either as rape or coercion. Now those two things are slightly different to me, but both are equally as heinous. We all know what rape implies, usually in terms of violent assault or drugging. But there are other ways someone can violate a woman's bodily autonomy such as threats, blackmail, peer pressure, humiliation, etc - those would surely fall under the terms of coercion. ''If you love me.. then let me..'', '' you don't love me if you say no!" , ''if you don't do this I'll ruin your life and tell X person about X thing".

 

The study they used was from 2011-2017 and ranged in ages of young to much much older when they were asked to describe their experiences. The remaining statistics were even more horrible which included health findings in what had happened to the women after the result of their rape or coerced experience. A baby resulting in abortion, STDs, a variety of very painful and long lasting gynecological disorders, mental health concerns, and drug/alcohol abuse as a coping mechanism. JAMAs main conclusion here was to find if there were long-lasting health effects as a result - and it's a no-brainer. Rape, molestation, and sexual assault including forms of coercion is an incredibly violent crime that steals bodily autonomy and produces deeply long-lasting psychological as well as physical effects for the rest of that person's life. If this study had been repeated using men who had been raped or molested, we'd find much the same thing.

 

I would not be surprised if this is higher. Women and men often take these experiences with them silently to the grave.

Edited September 17, 2019 by yuna628

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

 Its like white after Labor day or Bourbon before the GA/Fl game. Its just not done 

I can tell you for sure there is plenty of bourbon before (also during and after) the Louisville/Kentucky game.

 

Been there, done that.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

37 minutes ago, Neonred said:

I can tell you for sure there is plenty of bourbon before (also during and after) the Louisville/Kentucky game.

 

Been there, done that.

we use to to Ga/Fl every year and literally party like there was no tomorrow for 6 days straight. Stayed at Ponte Vedra in a little house right on the beach every year. Ahh the good ol days.

 

The GA/Fl date was the date which we swapped from hot weather (beer) to cold weather bourbon). Theoretically  

[laylalex 7,300]

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

I'm sorry that you don't find such statistics accurate NB. What number would make you more comfortable in considering it?

 

The actual study states that it occurred either as rape or coercion. Now those two things are slightly different to me, but both are equally as heinous. We all know what rape implies, usually in terms of violent assault or drugging. But there are other ways someone can violate a woman's bodily autonomy such as threats, blackmail, peer pressure, humiliation, etc - those would surely fall under the terms of coercion. ''If you love me.. then let me..'', '' you don't love me if you say no!" , ''if you don't do this I'll ruin your life and tell X person about X thing".

 

The study they used was from 2011-2017 and ranged in ages of young to much much older when they were asked to describe their experiences. The remaining statistics were even more horrible which included health findings in what had happened to the women after the result of their rape or coerced experience. A baby resulting in abortion, STDs, a variety of very painful and long lasting gynecological disorders, mental health concerns, and drug/alcohol abuse as a coping mechanism. JAMAs main conclusion here was to find if there were long-lasting health effects as a result - and it's a no-brainer. Rape, molestation, and sexual assault including forms of coercion is an incredibly violent crime that steals bodily autonomy and produces deeply long-lasting psychological as well as physical effects for the rest of that person's life. If this study had been repeated using men who had been raped or molested, we'd find much the same thing.

 

I would not be surprised if this is higher. Women and men often take these experiences with them silently to the grave.

Yes, I'm going to tend to agree with JAMA here as well. This isn't about leftist, activist, crazy women trying to push an agenda. This is a public health issue. I have never been raped but I have been subjected to coercion in a committed relationship. Though it was not my first, it was my first long term relationship, and it went on for a long time. It messes with your head to the point where you think that it's normal to just submit rather than face the supposed consequences of not giving in. (Never physical consequences, I want to point out, but scars can be left in different ways.) It made me second guess myself in not only that relationship, but in the one I'm in now. I lost sight of my own needs in order to meet the person who treated me so poorly. I continue to work through the damage it caused to me through therapy. I have started talking about this with friends, some of whom find it hard to believe because the other person is so charming and can be a nice person to be around. 

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Coercion is subjective so who knows what the respondents thought that meant.

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this study is why i believe in the right to keep and bear arms

[yuna628 9,700]

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

this study is why i believe in the right to keep and bear arms

Memes seem like they are a good idea, don't they? Except when the example in this meme would not have helped the majority of those young girls who responded to the survey. They were definitely still considered children when their rape occurred and would not have been old enough to own a firearm or take one around with them. Unless you are suggesting arming children of all ages is a fantastic idea. Nothing sounds like a great idea like one hormonal teenage male pointing his gun at a hormonal teenage female demanding sex while she says she will shoot him and may even go to jail defending herself.. heard of Cyntonia Brown, Brittnay Smith, or Maryanne Atkins?

 

It certainly is not always enough to have a weapon on hand to prevent your rape either. Many of the respondents said their attacker was an older adult who was considerably stronger. Guns can be disarmed and women can be subdued with physical violence or before they have any time to react. It likely also would not help in situations of coercion.

 

10 hours ago, Boiler said:

Coercion is subjective so who knows what the respondents thought that meant.

Coercion can mean a lot of things. In a way some kinds of coercion is a form of 'grooming' which is no different in situations of childhood molestation. In the evangelical community many young girls are preyed upon by older adults that are considered trusted and heavily involved in their lives, while having very little experience in being told about the 'facts of life'. They are coerced that if they say no, they will disappoint that trusted person/father figure, they are told they will disappoint god while at the same time then told that they are shamed and disappointed god if they are eventually coerced. Even in cases of rape many girls within the church are blamed for their own suffering and rape. This is also no different of an experience when it happens to young boys within a church setting.

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Grooming is another subjective term, seems like many going through MENA and PI etc could fall into that definition.

 

And to be clear it applies to the two main genders and probably many of the others.

[laylalex 7,300]

yuna's post is spot on. I didn't even recognize I was being coerced into sex at the time -- I thought (because I was young and had limited experience) that what eventually happened to me was normal. It didn't start out as coercion to begin with, it just built up over time. I guess it's a form of grooming, even though I was an adult. By the end, I truly believed that what was happening was normal in a long term relationship like marriage, and that the years of actual, informed, enthusiastic consent made it difficult to say oh, but now I don't want to. A gun wouldn't fix the rot. Divorce could, but it hasn't healed everything. 

[Ban Hammer 13,498]

4 hours ago, yuna628 said:

 heard of Cyntonia Brown, Brittnay Smith, or Maryanne Atkins?

 

the first one, oh yes.........

At some point during the encounter Brown shot Allen in the back of the head using her .40-caliber handgun. She then left the house in Allen's Ford F-150 in possession of Allen's wallet, containing US$172,^[17] and two of his firearms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyntoia_Brown

 

no clue about the 2nd. 

the 3rd -

A Seattle-area teen accused of posing with her victim’s gun after fatally shooting a man in his car has been charged with first-degree murder.

Maryanne Atkins, 16, is accused of killing Emmanuel Gondo, who was found dead in the driver’s seat of a black Jaguar parked in South Seattle.
https://www.seattlepi.com/local/crime/article/West-Seattle-girl-charged-in-man-s-slaying-7255556.php

not sure why you use those two that i cited, as they sure seem to have been out to rob someone.