ACLU: Who's botching the executions?

[almaty 19]

Meh. I don't think a convicted murderer deserves compassion reserved for fellow decent humans. In fact, the life of every murder in the world isn't worth a single day of my cat's life and I would have no problem pulling the trigger, throwing the switch, etc. There's a reason death row inmates are sentenced to die. They committed an atrocious act on someone and they deserve death.

Pulling the trigger or throwing the switch would make you a murderer too.

Therefore, by the same rationale, your own life wouldn't be worth your cat's weight in fur.

excellent post as always brother MA

[jundp 191]

Meh. I don't think a convicted murderer deserves compassion reserved for fellow decent humans. In fact, the life of every murder in the world isn't worth a single day of my cat's life and I would have no problem pulling the trigger, throwing the switch, etc. There's a reason death row inmates are sentenced to die. They committed an atrocious act on someone and they deserve death.

Edit: For the inmates who had 'bad' executions... Where's that little fiddle? Ah, I can't find it. Call the Waaaaambulance.

And how many people on death row were exonerated?

Regardless of that, I think that murder should be punished,yes, but not by murder. That's like saying it's ok to torture a POW because...well, they're the enemy. We supposedly uphold such things as the Geneva Convention treaties or the UN Declaration of Human Rights, yet we think that the death penalty is ok. Hell, even Germany abolished the death penalty in the 40s.

mho....

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Meh. I don't think a convicted murderer deserves compassion reserved for fellow decent humans. In fact, the life of every murder in the world isn't worth a single day of my cat's life and I would have no problem pulling the trigger, throwing the switch, etc. There's a reason death row inmates are sentenced to die. They committed an atrocious act on someone and they deserve death.

Edit: For the inmates who had 'bad' executions... Where's that little fiddle? Ah, I can't find it. Call the Waaaaambulance.

And how many people on death row were exonerated?

Regardless of that, I think that murder should be punished,yes, but not by murder. That's like saying it's ok to torture a POW because...well, they're the enemy. We supposedly uphold such things as the Geneva Convention treaties or the UN Declaration of Human Rights, yet we think that the death penalty is ok. Hell, even Germany abolished the death penalty in the 40s.

mho....

Well said!

[Ban Hammer 13,335]

Edit: For the inmates who had 'bad' executions... Where's that little fiddle? Ah, I can't find it. Call the Waaaaambulance.

[peejay 327]

They are probably no worst or any more sick that the people that kill cows, pigs, and chickens at the slaughterhouse 8 - 12 hours a day and 5 to 7 days a week.

I truly don't understand how one can compare executing a human being with killing an animal for food, regardless of what that human has done.

Then again, I could never be an executioner, and I suppose that's why.

I never insinuated that I would do either job.

The point I was making is that it is all "mind over matter". If someone doesn't mind...it doesn't matter.

People rationalize things in their own minds. Some people can't kill a mosquito and others have no problem committing heinous mass murder.

[dalegg 143]

Animals are not capable of good or evil.

I don't know. You should see what my dog did to my wife's new pair of boots

[homesick_american 1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

Everybody happy.

You have a point. There are lots better ways to execute convicts...but they are less socially acceptable that the concept of peacefully falling asleep on a gurney.

The problem is that if it isn't done right they don't fall asleep peacefully or quickly as is intended.

The Guillotine is rather idiot proof, quick, and humane (as humane as possible under the circumstances). It's kind of hard to screw that up. But the mess is considered socially unacceptable for reasons I can't understand.

Life isn't always pretty.

The Guillotine, humane? :lol: :lol:

Uh...ok!

[peejay 327]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

Everybody happy.

You have a point. There are lots better ways to execute convicts...but they are less socially acceptable that the concept of peacefully falling asleep on a gurney.

The problem is that if it isn't done right they don't fall asleep peacefully or quickly as is intended.

The Guillotine is rather idiot proof, quick, and humane (as humane as possible under the circumstances). It's kind of hard to screw that up. But the mess is considered socially unacceptable for reasons I can't understand.

Life isn't always pretty.

The Guillotine, humane? :lol: :lol:

Uh...ok!

If it came to it...I'd rather die in 1 second on the Guillotine than be tortured to death for 30+ minutes by some idiot that doesn't have a clue how to administer a lethal injection.

Now...which is more humane...30+ minutes of being tortured to death or 1 second of pain? I'll give you 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

[Fuzzness 2]

the death penalty is not a punishment

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Whatever people feel about CP, it seems to me there’s a fairly good argument for having it conducted in a humane manner (the issue here is what constitutes “humane treatment”). After all, who exactly would want the job of inflicting pain on another human being? Even if the person has committed a terrible crime they did nothing to the person charged with administering justice. I mean, does anyone consider the psychological well-being of people who have that job? I find it hard to believe that it wouldn’t be conflicting…

[Robor007 0]

Meh. I don't think a convicted murderer deserves compassion reserved for fellow decent humans. In fact, the life of every murder in the world isn't worth a single day of my cat's life and I would have no problem pulling the trigger, throwing the switch, etc. There's a reason death row inmates are sentenced to die. They committed an atrocious act on someone and they deserve death.

Pulling the trigger or throwing the switch would make you a murderer too.

Therefore, by the same rationale, your own life wouldn't be worth your cat's weight in fur.

Obviously our views on capitol punishment differ. I don't consider it to be murder. Let me ask you this, if killing another human is murder then is the cop who kills a criminal murder? Is it murder when a soldier kills another solider? What about civilians killed by collateral damage? What about the homeowner defending himself against an attacker?

They are probably no worst or any more sick that the people that kill cows, pigs, and chickens at the slaughterhouse 8 - 12 hours a day and 5 to 7 days a week.

I truly don't understand how one can compare executing a human being with killing an animal for food, regardless of what that human has done.

Then again, I could never be an executioner, and I suppose that's why.

Meh. I don't think a convicted murderer deserves compassion reserved for fellow decent humans. In fact, the life of every murder in the world isn't worth a single day of my cat's life and I would have no problem pulling the trigger, throwing the switch, etc. There's a reason death row inmates are sentenced to die. They committed an atrocious act on someone and they deserve death.

I'll have to just agree to disagree. I feel the opposite. I believe that's against the natural order of things. Committing a heinous crime should be punished, but it does not cancel out one's humanity, neither can it cancel out one's good deeds in their lifetime. Animals are not capable of good or evil.

I'll agree to disagree also. For example, IMO a man who kidnaps, rapes, and murders a child is no longer deserving human compassion. I don't care who they are or what they've done in the past. They should be given the maximum sentence including execution if it's legal.

Meh. I don't think a convicted murderer deserves compassion reserved for fellow decent humans. In fact, the life of every murder in the world isn't worth a single day of my cat's life and I would have no problem pulling the trigger, throwing the switch, etc. There's a reason death row inmates are sentenced to die. They committed an atrocious act on someone and they deserve death.

Edit: For the inmates who had 'bad' executions... Where's that little fiddle? Ah, I can't find it. Call the Waaaaambulance.

And how many people on death row were exonerated?

Regardless of that, I think that murder should be punished,yes, but not by murder. That's like saying it's ok to torture a POW because...well, they're the enemy. We supposedly uphold such things as the Geneva Convention treaties or the UN Declaration of Human Rights, yet we think that the death penalty is ok. Hell, even Germany abolished the death penalty in the 40s.

mho....

Well in MHO capitol punishment is not murder. I do not condone torture of POW's but I don't see the connection either.

[Mags 112]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

Everybody happy.

You have a point. There are lots better ways to execute convicts...but they are less socially acceptable that the concept of peacefully falling asleep on a gurney.

The problem is that if it isn't done right they don't fall asleep peacefully or quickly as is intended.

The Guillotine is rather idiot proof, quick, and humane (as humane as possible under the circumstances). It's kind of hard to screw that up. But the mess is considered socially unacceptable for reasons I can't understand.

Life isn't always pretty.

The Guillotine, humane? :lol: :lol:

Uh...ok!

If it came to it...I'd rather die in 1 second on the Guillotine than be tortured to death for 30+ minutes by some idiot that doesn't have a clue how to administer a lethal injection.

Now...which is more humane...30+ minutes of being tortured to death or 1 second of pain? I'll give you 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

If you have your head cut off it stays alive for a couple of minutes. Think about it; how long does the brain take to die after oxygen deprivation...2 minutes.

[LaL 418]

If you have your head cut off it stays alive for a couple of minutes. Think about it; how long does the brain take to die after oxygen deprivation...2 minutes.

oh ick .. i just lost my breakfast.

[SteveLaura 0]

If you have your head cut off it stays alive for a couple of minutes. Think about it; how long does the brain take to die after oxygen deprivation...2 minutes.

Not being a medical professional, I can't say for certain, but I would imagine that the head, although technically alive, would be far from conscious. The shock from the decapitation would put you in a state similar to being in a coma. Severed nerve endings may produce facial twitches, perhaps, but no pain.

[almaty 19]

there was a study done during the french state of terror, where one person who was too be excuted stated, that she/he would blink repeatedly after their head was cut off...and did,.,,

hitler and nazi germany used this device..cheaper than bullets