NVC rejected one of my documents. URGENT help, I'm at a dead end :/

[Nicolaszz 10]

I submitted a family registration sheet, which is listed under alternate documents for a birth certificate, for Lebanon, but they rejected it and told me to replace it with an acceptable birth certificate. I did get a birth certificate for all 3 of the applicants except the main applicant whose birth certificate is non-existent 😕 

I got something called ifedet wilede for the main applicant, and I called the NVC to ask if this works as an alternative to the birth certificate. The guy on the phone told me to check the country reciprocity, which I did, and I told him my situation ( how I sent a family registration sheet but it was rejected ), to which he said he can only send a message to a supervisor to review my case, which he did on the phone. However, he told me that he's not sure they will be able to help me because my documents were rejected, and under NVC policy, you can't review rejected documents. 

Has anyone been in the same situation? Did you guys send family registration sheets ( ikhraj eid 3a2ile )? Were they accepted? I don't know what to do now 😕 Should I resend the same documents?

[designguy 1,179]

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Procedure for Obtaining: Lebanese and foreigners born in Lebanon (resident and non-resident) may obtain a government birth certificate from the district office of the Civil Registry Office in the district where the applicant is registered.

Why can't you obtain a BC for the main applicant? What does non-existent mean?

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[Nicolaszz 10]

7 minutes ago, designguy said:

Why can't you obtain a BC for the main applicant? What does non-existent mean?

It's been lost. It just doesn't exist anymore

 

In Lebanon little emphasis is given on birth certificates, to the point where a lot of people haven't heard of a birth certificate. And during the war a in the 80s a lot of them were lost.

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[designguy 1,179]

1 minute ago, Nicolaszz said:

It's been lost. It just doesn't exist anymore

If you lost it you should be able to request a new one.

 

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Alternate Documents: Alternate civil documentation of birth (for Lebanese nationals whose place of birth is Lebanon) can be the individual or family civil registration sheet issued by the Civil Registry Office, which records all members of a family.  If a birth certificate is unavailable due to non-registration or the civil war, the statement of non-existence must be requested from the Ministry of Interior’s local Civil Registry Office.

If they aren't able to issue a replacement it seems you will need a statement of non-existence

[geowrian 22,337]

3 minutes ago, Nicolaszz said:

It's been lost. It just doesn't exist anymore

Did you explain this section of the reciprocity table?

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Alternate Documents: Alternate civil documentation of birth (for Lebanese nationals whose place of birth is Lebanon) can be the individual or family civil registration sheet issued by the Civil Registry Office, which records all members of a family.  If a birth certificate is unavailable due to non-registration or the civil war, the statement of non-existence must be requested from the Ministry of Interior’s local Civil Registry Office.

 

[Nicolaszz 10]

 

I called asking for a statement of non-existence, but it turns out that it's not even a thing.

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[geowrian 22,337]

3 minutes ago, Nicolaszz said:

I called asking for a statement of non-existence, but it turns out that it's not even a thing.

Call the Ministry of Interior’s local Civil Registry Office again. The US says it exists.

[designguy 1,179]

5 minutes ago, Nicolaszz said:

 

I called asking for a statement of non-existence, but it turns out that it's not even a thing.

Called who? Have you reached out to the consulate/embassy? You are going to have to get something in writing to move this forward.

 

Also are you in Lebanon or the US? If you are not in Lebanon then you should find someone in Lebanon (maybe family member) who you can give power of attorny to make the request

 

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Ok so the consulate gave me a photocopy of my family id (بيان قيد عائلي). They told me to give power of attorney to somebody in Lebanon. If they do it themselves they said it would take 3-4 months. Do you know how long it would take to get it from Lebanon if I find a relative to do it?

 

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[Nicolaszz 10]

9 minutes ago, designguy said:

Called who? Have you reached out to the consulate/embassy? You are going to have to get something in writing to move this forward.

 

Also are you in Lebanon or the US? If you are not in Lebanon then you should find someone in Lebanon (maybe family member) who you can give power of attorny to make the request

 

 

I asked the mayor who is basically a medium between the civil registry office and the people in terms of distributing birth certificates, registration sheet, etc. He told me that there is no such paper but he did make me a request for a birth statement released by the civil registry office which shows the principal applicant's DOB, and etc. I am currently residing in Lebanon, yes.
I have tried calling the embassy before but I was told to email the NVC for document related cases. Perhaps I called the wrong extension. They're closed at this moment anyway 😕

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[designguy 1,179]

3 minutes ago, Nicolaszz said:

I asked the mayor who is basically a medium between the civil registry office and the people in terms of distributing birth certificates, registration sheet, etc. He told me that there is no such paper but he did make me a request for a birth statement released by the civil registry office which shows the principal applicant's DOB, and etc. I am currently residing in Lebanon, yes.

With immigration a lot of times you have to do your own digging and not accepting the first answer. If I were you I would reach out to some more civil ministries/agencies in Lebanon to confirm. The people at NVC will probably keep pointing you back to the reciprocity table so you really want to exhaust your efforts to get what is written there  

[Nicolaszz 10]

7 minutes ago, designguy said:

With immigration a lot of times you have to do your own digging and not accepting the first answer. If I were you I would reach out to some more civil ministries/agencies in Lebanon to confirm. The people at NVC will probably keep pointing you back to the reciprocity table so you really want to exhaust your efforts to get what is written there  

Is it possible that they would accept something that is exactly like the birth certificate? Like I know one person from Lebanon who sent a Baptismal & Birth Certificate which was accepted. I have something that is exactly akin to the birth certificate. Maybe I should send that along with the family registration sheet, but call the ministry beforehand to inquire about this statement of non existence. Thank you!