How to bring child if i got DV lottery visa after mention no kids

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

6 hours ago, Duke & Marie said:

Without recovering everything previously mentioned by others....

 

where and with whom has the child been living since they moved?

 

is it possible the child was in the legal care of others and recently returned to the care of the parents?

 

if so, would this still be considered as lying, if they had previously held no parental responsibility for the child? 

 

I know, it may well not be the case, but situations relevant to legal custody of children can change.. not sure how it would impact on any form of visa application however. 

The forms are explicit to list any child regardless of custody etc. 

 

“Be sure to include:
 all living natural children;
 all living children legally adopted by you; and,
 all living step-children who are unmarried and under the age of 21 on the date of yourelectronic entry, even if you are no longer legally married to the child’s parent, and even if the child does not currently reside with you and/or will not immigrate with you.”

 

[Going through 5,671]

6 hours ago, Duke & Marie said:

where and with whom has the child been living since they moved?

 

is it possible the child was in the legal care of others and recently returned to the care of the parents?

 

if so, would this still be considered as lying, if they had previously held no parental responsibility for the child? 

 

I know, it may well not be the case, but situations relevant to legal custody of children can change.. not sure how it would impact on any form of visa application however. 

1) Would be irrelevant as the DV application requires all children to be listed, regardless of where the child is living, regardless of who is legally caring for the child---and regardless of whether the child planning on immigrating later.  By not listing the child's existence, they automatically disqualified themselves.

 

2) See above.

 

3) See above.  

 

4) From the DV instructions:  Number of children – List the name, date of birth, gender, city/town of birth, and country of birth for all living unmarried children under 21 years of age, regardless of whether they are living with you or intend to accompany or follow to join you, should you immigrate to the United States.  For the purposes of that question on the application, physical custody at the time of the application is irrelevant.

[Khallaf 650]

16 hours ago, waa2100 said:

that's what I told them.

the problem now they went to an attorney and filled a petition for their son, USCIS will find out about their misrepresentation and will revoke their green cards.

I just knew about the petition today and I really know how bad to make misrepresentation to obtain a green card

if they are from Egypt they can surly expect the green cards to be revoked, Cairo doesn't play around with people who lie to obtain green cards.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

12 minutes ago, Khallaf said:

if they are from Egypt they can surly expect the green cards to be revoked, Cairo doesn't play around with people who lie to obtain green cards.

1. The Cairo embassy has nothing more to do with this case. Embassies don’t revoke green cards. 

2. The embassy of original issue has no relevance, even if in your opinion it “doesn't play around”, the issue is the disqualifying factor for entry.  Cairo btw has a pretty high approval rate for DVs. 

Edited September 9, 2019 by SusieQQQ

[Crazy Cat 41,985]

5 hours ago, waa2100 said:

looks like they will going back and forward on him until they figure out something else they can do about him

When USCIS discovers the issue, they both could be going back...to stay.

[Crazy Cat 41,985]

Looks pretty clear to me:

https://fam.state.gov/fam/09FAM/09FAM050206.html

Edited September 9, 2019 by missileman

[Sm1smom 254]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

The OP friend mentioned that someone else filled out their paperwork and apparently instead of correcting an error early in the process, they compounded it in an effort to stay consistent, but who really knows the actual reasons.  It is really a mess, and a lesson especially for those here, having someone else fill out forms be it an attorney, or some visa service, one needs to be exceedingly vigilant and double check everything.   

 

The only right way of correcting the omission was for the parents to not have proceeded with their DV selection. The actual reason they continued as they did was because they already knew if they had declared him after being selected, they would have been automatically denied at the embassy. The rules about visa lottery are quite clear on that. 

[Dashinka 24,653]

2 hours ago, Sm1smom said:

 

The only right way of correcting the omission was for the parents to not have proceeded with their DV selection. The actual reason they continued as they did was because they already knew if they had declared him after being selected, they would have been automatically denied at the embassy. The rules about visa lottery are quite clear on that. 

More than likely this is the case, but for most rational folks makes absolutely no sense.  Misrepresent yourself to get a GC, come to the US and hope?  Not really a logical plan.

[SusieQQQ 11,587]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

More than likely this is the case, but for most rational folks makes absolutely no sense.  Misrepresent yourself to get a GC, come to the US and hope?  Not really a logical plan.

A possible scenario is that the agent who filled the form incorrectly for them persuaded them that they’d be able to fix it after arriving in the US. Happens more than you’d think that agents mess up and try convince people it’ll be ok. Remember a fairly large number of DV winners don’t have the same kind of information access as many others here (for example the kind of people who use agents may do so because they do not have home internet access).

[Unlockable 7,315]

When reading this thread I was shaking my head so much I have neck pains now. Like everyone else in here, I was yelling, "WHY???", when the OP revealed his/her friend lied BIG during the process. But I am going to go against the grain and put on my devil's advocate hat for a second.

 

[Devil's advocate hat on]

Some people in some countries grew up in a way of life where falsifying information, lying, withholding info, and bribing is a way of life. They may have grown up and seen it rampant in their countries. They may not know the grave consequences of the same acts when dealing with US organizations. When I first visited  my wife's country, I was sitting in traffic and I saw some drivers jump the sidewalk curve and drive down the sidewalk because they were tired of waiting. People were running and jumping off the sidewalk so they wouldn't get hit. There was no regard to traffic laws or public safety. I also remember there was a young Filipina girl who was responding to a thread similar to this one. The topic of the thread was about some material misrep that the OP was now trying to fix. The didn't defend the OP but she shed a light on the OP's actions. She simply said that in the Philippines, bending the truth to get something you need is a way of life. Over there if a person truly believes they are in need (them being poor and wanting better life for them by immigrating to America, for example) then lying is justifiable to them. Because to them they are lying for a good reason. Often these people believe they can fix the lie later when things are better. The OP's friend may be one of those that thought it could be fixed now.

[Devil's advocate hat off]

 

With all that said, what they did was inexcusable. when immigrating to any country, a person should be aware of laws, rules, and regulations. If not at a legal level at least at a human level because it is basic human decency. You don't accept and opportunity given to you by disregarding rules. 

 

 

8 hours ago, waa2100 said:

I really feel bad for them.

looks like they will going back and forward on him until they figure out something else they can do about him

Unfortunately, this will be a really tough lesson for them to learn. Whether they were naive or it was intentional, there will be consequences and they should be aware of that. If you speak to them again, you should be supportive but make them aware that moving forward, they should be 1000% honest on everything and own up to their mistake. But more than that, they should be prepared to accept any repercussions that may come from this just in case. This is not going to be easy, cheap, nor fast to resolve IF it is even possible to resolve at all.

[Crazy Cat 41,985]

Looks like they knowingly misrepresented themselves multiple times..........This is one of those errors in judgement that just doesn't go away...it could be disastrous if discovered many years from now. ....and I think they have guaranteed that the child will never immigrate through them........

[Sm1smom 254]

7 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

More than likely this is the case, but for most rational folks makes absolutely no sense.  Misrepresent yourself to get a GC, come to the US and hope?  Not really a logical plan.

 

Yeah, doing so makes no sense for most rational and enlightened folks like us.

 

For those of us who closely monitor the DV process, this is a common occurrence - year after year, we come across selectees who failed to include either their spouse or eligible children on their eDV entry forms. They insist on proceeding with their selection as is (once they discover failure to list eligible family members will lead to a denial/disqualifies them) and hope they’ll be able to figure out a way to eventually bring such family members over to the US later on. 

[MacUK 983]

2 hours ago, Unlockable said:

When reading this thread I was shaking my head so much I have neck pains now. Like everyone else in here, I was yelling, "WHY???", when the OP revealed his/her friend lied BIG during the process. But I am going to go against the grain and put on my devil's advocate hat for a second.

 

[Devil's advocate hat on]

Some people in some countries grew up in a way of life where falsifying information, lying, withholding info, and bribing is a way of life. They may have grown up and seen it rampant in their countries. They may not know the grave consequences of the same acts when dealing with US organizations. When I first visited  my wife's country, I was sitting in traffic and I saw some drivers jump the sidewalk curve and drive down the sidewalk because they were tired of waiting. People were running and jumping off the sidewalk so they wouldn't get hit. There was no regard to traffic laws or public safety. I also remember there was a young Filipina girl who was responding to a thread similar to this one. The topic of the thread was about some material misrep that the OP was now trying to fix. The didn't defend the OP but she shed a light on the OP's actions. She simply said that in the Philippines, bending the truth to get something you need is a way of life. Over there if a person truly believes they are in need (them being poor and wanting better life for them by immigrating to America, for example) then lying is justifiable to them. Because to them they are lying for a good reason. Often these people believe they can fix the lie later when things are better. The OP's friend may be one of those that thought it could be fixed now.

[Devil's advocate hat off]

 

With all that said, what they did was inexcusable. when immigrating to any country, a person should be aware of laws, rules, and regulations. If not at a legal level at least at a human level because it is basic human decency. You don't accept and opportunity given to you by disregarding rules. 

 

 

Unfortunately, this will be a really tough lesson for them to learn. Whether they were naive or it was intentional, there will be consequences and they should be aware of that. If you speak to them again, you should be supportive but make them aware that moving forward, they should be 1000% honest on everything and own up to their mistake. But more than that, they should be prepared to accept any repercussions that may come from this just in case. This is not going to be easy, cheap, nor fast to resolve IF it is even possible to resolve at all.

Different situation for me but the sentiment is the same.

When I overstayed on VWP I didn't think it was a big deal, at the time I didn't have much choice about overstaying but the length of time I stayed was completely on me. I figured that it wouldn't matter much, I'd just go back to my home country, maybe pay a fine and then everything would be OK.....

 

It didn't work out how I hoped.

This was 16 years ago, I got banned for 10 years, I've been denied a B2 three times and I might never set foot in U.S. soil ever again.

One stupid mistake I made half a lifetime ago will have repercussions for the rest of my life, I've been 100000% honest in all my dealings with the U.S. authorities since then but once you lose credibility it's near impossible to regain any trust.

 

Actions have consequences.

[SalishSea 17,980]

2 hours ago, Sm1smom said:

 

Yeah, doing so makes no sense for most rational and enlightened folks like us.

 

For those of us who closely monitor the DV process, this is a common occurrence - year after year, we come across selectees who failed to include either their spouse or eligible children on their eDV entry forms. They insist on proceeding with their selection as is (once they discover failure to list eligible family members will lead to a denial/disqualifies them) and hope they’ll be able to figure out a way to eventually bring such family members over to the US later on. 

I don't understand why someone would omit a spouse or child in the first place - are they not all eligible derivatives for the DV?

[geowrian 22,337]

15 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

I don't understand why someone would omit a spouse or child in the first place - are they not all eligible derivatives for the DV?

They are. My assumption is they think it will complicate or hurt their chances for some reason...?