How to Fight Toxic Masculinity

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

11 hours ago, laylalex said:

"Female" isn't a noun when it comes to humans, unless you're a cop. We are women or girls, thanks.

I used the term girls speaking about a group of women was corrected by my women boss corrected it to ladies and was offered the benefit of diversity training at HR, girls was demeaning, ladies was presumptive, glad I am close to retirement I am over the sensitivity

[Boris Farage 353]

Just now, Randyandyuni said:

I used the term girls speaking about a group of women was corrected by my women boss corrected it to ladies and was offered the benefit of diversity training at HR, girls was demeaning, ladies was presumptive, glad I am close to retirement I am over the sensitivity

This could not possibly have happened. According to laylalex there is no such thing as toxic femininity.

[laylalex 7,284]

8 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

 

   Further reading. Let grammar girl clear it up for you. 

 

   

 

Thank you. I was literally about to post something very similar but I'm posting from my phone.

 

21 minutes ago, Boris Farage said:

This is your brain on box wine.

No, it isn't and wasn't. Thanks though.

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

9 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

 

   Further reading. Let grammar girl clear it up for you. 

 

   

 

She said it was grammatically correct to use either, however, SHE preferred female qualifier, another pic grammar nazi

[laylalex 7,284]

4 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

I used the term girls speaking about a group of women was corrected by my women boss corrected it to ladies and was offered the benefit of diversity training at HR, girls was demeaning, ladies was presumptive, glad I am close to retirement I am over the sensitivity

It's not hard. If we are adults, we are women. If we are children, we are girls. I don't take offense personally to being called a lady, but "woman" is always correct. 🙂

[Boris Farage 353]

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Further reading. Let grammar girl clear it up for you. 

Let Boris clear it up for you: that was an opinion piece, not an absolute grammar rule. Between some random internet blog and classic English writers, I'll stick with Ms. Austen and Ms. Brontë.

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

1 minute ago, laylalex said:

It's not hard. If we are adults, we are women. If we are children, we are girls. I don't take offense personally to being called a lady, but "woman" is always correct. 🙂

Same women boss called her team "my Boys", same one that called me out and sent me to HR, can you not agree it's hypocritical?

[laylalex 7,284]

It is grammatically correct I guess to use either but it reduces us to our biology. 

 

I thought this thread was supposed to be about men and masculinity???

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

1 minute ago, laylalex said:

It is grammatically correct I guess to use either but it reduces us to our biology. 

 

I thought this thread was supposed to be about men and masculinity???

You introduced the grammar content, the derailment is yours, you can't complain when you are then shown as wrong

[Boris Farage 353]

Just now, laylalex said:

It is grammatically correct I guess to use either but it reduces us to our biology.

And woman, girl, and lady do not?

 

You might be right @Randyandyuni... it might be time to retire if we can't even rely on the timelessness of the English language anymore.

[laylalex 7,284]

4 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

Same women boss called her team "my Boys", same one that called me out and sent me to HR, can you not agree it's hypocritical?

That is hypocritical, 100%.

4 minutes ago, Boris Farage said:

Let Boris clear it up for you: that was an opinion piece, not an absolute grammar rule. Between some random internet blog and classic English writers, I'll stick with Ms. Austen and Ms. Brontë.

If I ask you nicely to call me a woman though, why wouldn't you? Am I not a woman, and is that somehow revolutionary?

[laylalex 7,284]

Just now, Randyandyuni said:

You introduced the grammar content, the derailment is yours, you can't complain when you are then shown as wrong

I am just asking nicely now to be referred to as a woman. And to comment that other women prefer to be addressed the same way. Do people go around saying, males do this or that frequently? No. They are men or boys.

3 minutes ago, Boris Farage said:

And woman, girl, and lady do not?

 

You might be right @Randyandyuni... it might be time to retire if we can't even rely on the timelessness of the English language anymore.

Now you're just being pedantic. 

[Boris Farage 353]

10 minutes ago, laylalex said:

If I ask you nicely to call me a woman though, why wouldn't you?

Yes, of course. If I am directly addressing you, if that is your preference, then it would be the polite course of action. But do not expect me to adhere to this if I am speaking of the fairer sex in general. Because perhaps you want to be a woman, and another wants to be a lady. It's an impossible choice that I will not be forced into.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Boris Farage

[Boris Farage 353]

Just now, laylalex said:

Now you're just being pedantic. 

Pedantry is the last bastion of normalized conversation. Otherwise words cease to matter.

[laylalex 7,284]

1 minute ago, Boris Farage said:

Yes, of course. If I am directly addressing you, if that is your preference, then it would be the polite course of action. But do not expect me to adhere to this if I am speaking of the fairer sex in general. Because perhaps you want to be a woman, and another wants to be a lady? It's an impossible choice that I will not be forced into.

I said I don't mind being called a lady. Please don't put words in my mouth. And "fairer sex"? I know you're only around my age. 

 

1 minute ago, Boris Farage said:

Pedantry is the last bastion of normalized conversation. Otherwise words cease to matter.

🙄

 

Can we get back to topic? Maybe Boris can tell us the challenges he has faced with being a man in a society that favors... females. 😎