Mexican former foreign minister says Immigration bill is a "very good deal for Mexico"

[JoeMama 0]

oh, and btw, that aztlan pic.. even though some wannabe illegals use that excuse, the aztlan movement was started strictly by chicanos, who are already 2nd or 3rd generation americans, not aliens.. so is not the mexicans who want the 'whites' out of the 'Aztlan region', its the same Americans

i'm aware of that. i'm also aware that they identify more with mexico than they do the usa

People always wanting something for NOTHING.

[pedroh 21]

oh, and btw, that aztlan pic.. even though some wannabe illegals use that excuse, the aztlan movement was started strictly by chicanos, who are already 2nd or 3rd generation americans, not aliens.. so is not the mexicans who want the 'whites' out of the 'Aztlan region', its the same Americans

i'm aware of that. i'm also aware that they identify more with mexico than they do the usa

not really, at least not with modern MExico, they try to find their aztec roots, because they don't fit as Americans nor Mexicans, so they have this weird notion of aztlan and trying to find their 'holy land'

[peejay 327]

Peejay sez:

A "very good deal for Mexico". No sh*t?

This isn't immigration policy...it is total frigging insanity. This stupidness didn't exist when my grandparents immigrated to America 96 years ago from Byelorussia. Land of immigrants my azz! It's the land of freeloaders, cheats, and scalliwags!

Immigration bill will raid pockets of U.S. taxpayers

by Phyllis Schlafly

Updated 06/04/2007 ET

As the details of the Senate immigration bill unfold, it is becoming apparent that the globalists' plan for the economic integration of North America is not just a figment of the imagination of conspiracy theorists, or an "urban legend" as one newspaper called it, or even a pipe dream of far-out world federalists.

The bill will accomplish economic integration by legalizing 12 million to 20 million illegal immigrants immediately and inviting millions more (relatives of the amnestied plus guest workers) to enter legally in the coming years.

Not only does the compromise bill reached by the White House and Senate call for integrating millions of poor, uneducated Mexicans into the U.S. economy and giving them and all their distant relatives extraordinarily generous handouts of social benefits, it calls for U.S. foreign aid to Mexicans still living south of the border.

The 600-plus page bill fails to mention its biggest effect: the immense tax burden it will impose on the U.S. middle class. The bill will require U.S. taxpayers to finance what is, in essence, a multi-billion dollar purchase of Mexican poverty.

Title VI of the bill will instantly turn 20 million illegal immigrants now in the United States into legal residents. Nobody knows the exact number, but because the bill has no cap and makes it advantageous to declare yourself an illegal immigrant, fraud will probably grow the number (as did the number who were granted amnesty by the 1986 bill signed into law by President Ronald Reagan).

The big majority of these illegal immigrants are low-skill, low-wage high school dropouts. An in-depth Heritage Foundation study by Robert Rector estimates that the average low-skill household receives $30,160 in taxpayer-paid benefits from all levels of government.

Heritage estimates that the average low-skill household pays only $10,573 in taxes at all levels. Each household, therefore, lays a net cost on U.S. taxpayers of $19,588 per year, which added up to $564 billion in 2004.

The Heritage Foundation is a conservative public policy research institute based in Washington, D.C. From 1995-2005 the foundation ran Townhall.com.

In addition to public schools, low-income Americans are the beneficiaries of more than 60 federal means-tested aid programs, including Medicaid; Earned Income Tax Credit, a cash handout that averages $1,700 per year per household; food stamps; Section 8 housing, public housing; Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, or TANF; school lunches and breakfasts; the Women, Infants and Children, or WIC, nutrition program; Social Services Block Grants, or SSBG; and legal services.

Most Americans are unaware of the enormous government transfers from taxpaying Americans to those who pay little or no income taxes.

About 45 percent of illegal immigrants work in the underground economy, thereby avoiding all income and employment taxes. And, because Mexicans send $23 billion a year of their earnings in remittances back to their home country, they pay little sales taxes for purchases of U.S. products.

Title IV, Section 413, locks the bill into the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, which President Bush agreed to with Mexican President Vicente Fox at Waco, Texas, in 2005.

The Security and Prosperity Partnership, in turn, is locked into the five-year plan spelled out in the Council on Foreign Relations document called "Building a North American Community," which called for massive U.S. foreign aid as part of economic integration. It's no surprise that the Senate immigration bill calls on U.S. taxpayers to "improve the standard of living in Mexico."

In addition to the heavy costs that the bill would impose on current U.S. taxpayers, it is truly awesome to contemplate the burden put on future taxpayer when the amnestied immigrants and their many relatives retire and collect Social Security and Medicare. Heritage estimates that the net retirement costs - benefits minus taxes - could be more than $2.5 trillion, which is five times the cost of the Iraq war.

Globalists try to tell us that bringing in more workers will expand and enrich our economy. That's nonsense. If millions of low-skill, low-wage workers could build a country's wealth, Africa and South America would be the richest countries in the world, and obviously they are not.

The influx of tens of millions of low-skill workers, who pay almost no taxes and send $23 billion of their earnings out of the country, will increase U.S. poverty and impose a tremendous burden on U.S. taxpayers. The increased supply of low-skill workers will also depress the wages of low-skill Americans who compete for low-wage jobs.

The terrible costs of the Senate immigration bill's buyout of Mexican poverty is not the legacy we want to leave our children and grandchildren. Because the bill and its advocates never address the issue of costs, it's up to the voters to hold their senators responsible.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20978

Read it and weep!

[CarlaM 0]

He qualifies for the "No shite Sherlock" award.

Completely wrong, the "No shite Sherlock" award is for the U.S. Senate, former mexican president Vicente Fox propoused exactly the same years ago.

Fox proposed what? The amnesty that is now making it's way through Congress? That would be yet another reason to oppose it. Vincente Fox doesn't get to propose ####### in the US. He should've concerned himself with getting his country in order and make it a livable place for his people. How did he treat those that illegally crossed into Mexico from South of the Border and where's the Mexican people marching for the rights of those people. Fcuking hypocrites!

If you realize I didnt give my opinion about it and I wont do it.

I am mexican and I am proud of it! If you want to call us fcuking hypocrites that is fine, you have the right to speak your mind out. I just pointed out you made a wrong statement. I think whatever your position is about any matter you should get well informed before speaking out your mind.

Well informed about what? What Voincente Fox ever said? He's a two faced ####### demanding for his people from us what he refused to afford those that invaded his country from the south. Get this: What any of the corrupt Mexican politicians says is absolutely NONE of my concern. I don't live in Mexico nor do I intend to do so. Vincente Fox is completely irrelevant to most of the world, including me.

It is impossible make someone like you understand and be reasonable. If you want to be lound and disrespectful, fine; a fight takes 2 and i am not in the mood to play your game. Have a nice day.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts and examples about how Fox ...

has helped his country grow into a good place for his people to work ...

been kind to other peoples entering the southern border ...

When the hell did i say something about Fox being a good president or what has done it was right??? The only thing i did it was to correct ET-US2004 about whose idea the immigration bill was. I guess i wasnt clear enough.

Interesting: I never said anything about whose idea this disaster of a proposed amnesty was.

You know, You are right. My mistake, I am sorry, it was a missunderstanding. but please try to dnt be that insultive when you talk about my country. I think you could express your opinion in a different way and i am sure if you do it politely you would get more people to see your point.

Edited June 5, 2007 by carla-justin

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He qualifies for the "No shite Sherlock" award.

Completely wrong, the "No shite Sherlock" award is for the U.S. Senate, former mexican president Vicente Fox propoused exactly the same years ago.

Fox proposed what? The amnesty that is now making it's way through Congress? That would be yet another reason to oppose it. Vincente Fox doesn't get to propose ####### in the US. He should've concerned himself with getting his country in order and make it a livable place for his people. How did he treat those that illegally crossed into Mexico from South of the Border and where's the Mexican people marching for the rights of those people. Fcuking hypocrites!

If you realize I didnt give my opinion about it and I wont do it.

I am mexican and I am proud of it! If you want to call us fcuking hypocrites that is fine, you have the right to speak your mind out. I just pointed out you made a wrong statement. I think whatever your position is about any matter you should get well informed before speaking out your mind.

Well informed about what? What Voincente Fox ever said? He's a two faced ####### demanding for his people from us what he refused to afford those that invaded his country from the south. Get this: What any of the corrupt Mexican politicians says is absolutely NONE of my concern. I don't live in Mexico nor do I intend to do so. Vincente Fox is completely irrelevant to most of the world, including me.

It is impossible make someone like you understand and be reasonable. If you want to be lound and disrespectful, fine; a fight takes 2 and i am not in the mood to play your game. Have a nice day.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts and examples about how Fox ...

has helped his country grow into a good place for his people to work ...

been kind to other peoples entering the southern border ...

When the hell did i say something about Fox being a good president or what has done it was right??? The only thing i did it was to correct ET-US2004 about whose idea the immigration bill was. I guess i wasnt clear enough.

Interesting: I never said anything about whose idea this disaster of a proposed amnesty was.

You know, You are right. My mistake, I am sorry, it was a missunderstanding. but please try to dnt be that insultive when you talk about my country. I think you could express your opinion in a different way and i am sure if you do it politely you would get more people to see your point.

What did I say that insults Mexico? Always these blanket statements. Have any specific beef with what I said? Let's have it.

[JoeMama 0]

oh, and btw, that aztlan pic.. even though some wannabe illegals use that excuse, the aztlan movement was started strictly by chicanos, who are already 2nd or 3rd generation americans, not aliens.. so is not the mexicans who want the 'whites' out of the 'Aztlan region', its the same Americans

i'm aware of that. i'm also aware that they identify more with mexico than they do the usa

not really, at least not with modern MExico, they try to find their aztec roots, because they don't fit as Americans nor Mexicans, so they have this weird notion of aztlan and trying to find their 'holy land'

Their "holy land" has probably been bull-dozed over and a concrete jungle stands ontop of what they're looking for. Strange bunch in deed!

Edited June 5, 2007 by JoeMama

[CarlaM 0]

How did he treat those that illegally crossed into Mexico from South of the Border and where's the Mexican people marching for the rights of those people. Fcuking hypocrites!

Jesus Christ!!! you dnt know when to stop!!! I am done with this, if you wanna keep wasting your time that is fine.

[Alex+R 0]

oh, and btw, that aztlan pic.. even though some wannabe illegals use that excuse, the aztlan movement was started strictly by chicanos, who are already 2nd or 3rd generation americans, not aliens.. so is not the mexicans who want the 'whites' out of the 'Aztlan region', its the same Americans

i'm aware of that. i'm also aware that they identify more with mexico than they do the usa

not really, at least not with modern MExico, they try to find their aztec roots, because they don't fit as Americans nor Mexicans, so they have this weird notion of aztlan and trying to find their 'holy land'

Their "holy land" has probably been bull-dozed over and a concrete jungle stands ontop of what they're looking for. Strange bunch in deed!

Ugh, how much ignorance and bigotry does it take before everything you say is considered a TOS violation and you get banned?

[JoeMama 0]

oh, and btw, that aztlan pic.. even though some wannabe illegals use that excuse, the aztlan movement was started strictly by chicanos, who are already 2nd or 3rd generation americans, not aliens.. so is not the mexicans who want the 'whites' out of the 'Aztlan region', its the same Americans

i'm aware of that. i'm also aware that they identify more with mexico than they do the usa

not really, at least not with modern MExico, they try to find their aztec roots, because they don't fit as Americans nor Mexicans, so they have this weird notion of aztlan and trying to find their 'holy land'

Their "holy land" has probably been bull-dozed over and a concrete jungle stands ontop of what they're looking for. Strange bunch in deed!

Ugh, how much ignorance and bigotry does it take before everything you say is considered a TOS violation and you get banned?

I know you like to poke at people to inflame them. Haven't you got better things to do with your time?

[CarlaM 0]

oh, and btw, that aztlan pic.. even though some wannabe illegals use that excuse, the aztlan movement was started strictly by chicanos, who are already 2nd or 3rd generation americans, not aliens.. so is not the mexicans who want the 'whites' out of the 'Aztlan region', its the same Americans

i'm aware of that. i'm also aware that they identify more with mexico than they do the usa

not really, at least not with modern MExico, they try to find their aztec roots, because they don't fit as Americans nor Mexicans, so they have this weird notion of aztlan and trying to find their 'holy land'

Their "holy land" has probably been bull-dozed over and a concrete jungle stands ontop of what they're looking for. Strange bunch in deed!

Ugh, how much ignorance and bigotry does it take before everything you say is considered a TOS violation and you get banned?

[JoeMama 0]

oh, and btw, that aztlan pic.. even though some wannabe illegals use that excuse, the aztlan movement was started strictly by chicanos, who are already 2nd or 3rd generation americans, not aliens.. so is not the mexicans who want the 'whites' out of the 'Aztlan region', its the same Americans

i'm aware of that. i'm also aware that they identify more with mexico than they do the usa

not really, at least not with modern MExico, they try to find their aztec roots, because they don't fit as Americans nor Mexicans, so they have this weird notion of aztlan and trying to find their 'holy land'

Their "holy land" has probably been bull-dozed over and a concrete jungle stands ontop of what they're looking for. Strange bunch in deed!

Ugh, how much ignorance and bigotry does it take before everything you say is considered a TOS violation and you get banned?

Haven't you got anything better to do with your time also?

[Alex+R 0]

I know you like to poke at people to inflame them. Haven't you got better things to do with your time?

Hm, actually, I'm not trying to "inflame" you, it's just that everything you say makes me lose a little hope in mankind and I wish you would take the time to educate yourself before you post.

[CarlaM 0]

oh, and btw, that aztlan pic.. even though some wannabe illegals use that excuse, the aztlan movement was started strictly by chicanos, who are already 2nd or 3rd generation americans, not aliens.. so is not the mexicans who want the 'whites' out of the 'Aztlan region', its the same Americans

i'm aware of that. i'm also aware that they identify more with mexico than they do the usa

not really, at least not with modern MExico, they try to find their aztec roots, because they don't fit as Americans nor Mexicans, so they have this weird notion of aztlan and trying to find their 'holy land'

Their "holy land" has probably been bull-dozed over and a concrete jungle stands ontop of what they're looking for. Strange bunch in deed!

Ugh, how much ignorance and bigotry does it take before everything you say is considered a TOS violation and you get banned?

Haven't you got anything better to do with your time also?

Nope babysitting night

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

How did he treat those that illegally crossed into Mexico from South of the Border and where's the Mexican people marching for the rights of those people. Fcuking hypocrites!

Jesus Christ!!! you dnt know when to stop!!! I am done with this, if you wanna keep wasting your time that is fine.

So, how does Mexico treat those that illegally invade Mexico from the South? Does Mexico grant them employment, residency, citizenship and benefits rights as he [Fox] demanded the US grants Mexican citizens that illegally invaded the US? Are those illegal immigrants treated humanely and fairly in Mexico? Are they? Has Vincente Fox been as much of an advocate for illegals in Mexico as he was for illegal Mexicans in the US? Have Mexicans been as concerned with how illegals are treated in their country as they are and have been with how they are treated as illegals in the US? Can you link me to any one protest that Mexicans have staged under Vincente Fox's leadership in support of illegal migrants in Mexico? Just one.

[JoeMama 0]

I know you like to poke at people to inflame them. Haven't you got better things to do with your time?

Hm, actually, I'm not trying to "inflame" you, it's just that everything you say makes me lose a little hope in mankind and I wish you would take the time to educate yourself before you post.

Then, can you please educate yourself that people will express themselves freely. And not everything that people say is "offensive". I know where the Aztecs that pedroh spoke about used to reside. I was agreeing with the guy.