Bernie Sanders unveils his own $16.3 TRILLION climate plan named after AOC's 'Green New Deal' - boldly claiming it will pay for itself AND end unemployment

[Ben & Katy 168]

I see this more as a starting point, a floater to gauge the public.  If he is elected this won't pass.  But I see it as a conversation starter that could lead to some action to combat climate change in maybe a less extremist way.  

[Crazy Cat 42,180]

Not everyone thinks this is a crisis....  

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/immigration-top-issue-for-voters

 

Edited September 5, 2019 by missileman

[laylalex 7,300]

Yeah, it may not be the top of everyone's list, but that doesn't mean that dealing with climate change isn't more important than immigration. It's not a popularity contest. And I hope our government can do more than one "thing" at a time! 

 

I may sound like an elitist but I don't always trust people to know what's actually important, especially in a media environment where important things are often not very sexy so don't get as much attention as they should.

[Dashinka 24,751]

14 hours ago, laylalex said:

Yeah, it may not be the top of everyone's list, but that doesn't mean that dealing with climate change isn't more important than immigration. It's not a popularity contest. And I hope our government can do more than one "thing" at a time! 

 

I may sound like an elitist but I don't always trust people to know what's actually important, especially in a media environment where important things are often not very sexy so don't get as much attention as they should.

Overall, I think our government is doing a lot to reduce emissions.  Trump continues to get flack from the environment whackos for pulling out of Paris, and yet the US is the only industrialized country that has actually reduced its greenhouse emissions.  Now of course that is not all due to Trump, and in fact any president has little actual impact on this topic other than rhetoric, but it does go to show the US is a leader here particularly as compared to the EU, China or India.

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/16/chart-of-the-week-the-us-is-a-leader-in-co2-reduction/

[Crazy Cat 42,180]

The climate change nuts believe manipulated temperature data.........

[Crazy Cat 42,180]

It's isn't really about "climate change".  It is a means to redistribute wealth...

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare

 

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

 

"The plan is to allow Third World countries to emit as much carbon dioxide as they wish -- because, as Edenhofer said, "in order to get rich one has to burn coal, oil or gas" -- while at the same time restricting emissions in advanced nations. This will, of course, choke economic growth in developed nations, but they deserve that fate as they "have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community," he said. The fanaticism runs so deep that one professor has even suggested that we need to plunge ourselves into a depression to fight global warming."

 

[luckytxn 2,265]

On 9/6/2019 at 8:26 AM, missileman said:

It's isn't really about "climate change".  It is a means to redistribute wealth...

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare

 

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

 

"The plan is to allow Third World countries to emit as much carbon dioxide as they wish -- because, as Edenhofer said, "in order to get rich one has to burn coal, oil or gas" -- while at the same time restricting emissions in advanced nations. This will, of course, choke economic growth in developed nations, but they deserve that fate as they "have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community," he said. The fanaticism runs so deep that one professor has even suggested that we need to plunge ourselves into a depression to fight global warming."

 

And in wealth redistribution the meaning is control of a citizenry. Let us not be stupid enough to believe that distributing wealth is not going to have conditions imposed on the recipient. The main ways Socialism imprisons a populace is through conditions that the populace has to endure in order to receive the "benefits".

[Dashinka 24,751]

11 hours ago, luckytxn said:

And in wealth redistribution the meaning is control of a citizenry. Let us not be stupid enough to believe that distributing wealth is not going to have conditions imposed on the recipient. The main ways Socialism imprisons a populace is through conditions that the populace has to endure in order to receive the "benefits".

I heard a hypothesis that if the total wealth of the US were to be confiscated and equally divided to everyone, in a little over six months, it would already be heading to just a few “go getters”.

[luckytxn 2,265]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I heard a hypothesis that if the total wealth of the US were to be confiscated and equally divided to everyone, in a little over six months, it would already be heading to just a few “go getters”.

I also heard a hypothesis that history repeats itself and another that said that the more things change  the more it stays the same. I have even heard a ridiculous one that said that a Socialist takeover of the U.S. would be different...

Edited September 8, 2019 by luckytxn
Cuz I can

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I heard a hypothesis that if the total wealth of the US were to be confiscated and equally divided to everyone, in a little over six months, it would already be heading to just a few “go getters”.

 

  I believe it goes something like "a fool and his money are soon parted".

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Florida has had something like 119 hurricanes since the 1800s.

 

But Dorian was due to climate change...

[TBoneTX 46,010]

42 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Dorian was due to climate change

And Pres. Trump has a steering mechanism in the Oval Office, to send 'canes to harm people of color.

This is how Pres. Bush sent Katrina to New Orleans.  His reason was to chase all the poor people to other states so that Louisiana would turn Republican.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, TBoneTX said:

And Pres. Trump has a steering mechanism in the Oval Office, to send 'canes to harm people of color.

This is how Pres. Bush sent Katrina to New Orleans.  His reason was to chase all the poor people to other states so that Louisiana would turn Republican.

 

   Is it Trump's fault or Bush's? Make up your mind.

[Dashinka 24,751]

3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Is it Trump's fault or Bush's? Make up your mind.

If a President has an "R" next to his name, it is always their fault.  That is what the all knowing mainstream media tells us.

[TBoneTX 46,010]

9 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

Is it Trump's fault or Bush's? Make up your mind.

Dorian = Trump's

Katrina = Bush's

Each is obvious, see man