Advance Parole RIDICULOUS for USC/Canadians

[Krikit 1,165]

  Logres said:

That's true Kez - but not all people from VWP countries are eligable, I know that you should not use it if you have been arrested........

(Confusion ) Ummmm..... Canadians can't come over if they've been arrested, either. Not without a waiver, anyway.

Warlord.... Canadians can stay for six months without a visa.

Edited August 29, 2007 by Krikit

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  Krikit said:

  Logres said:

That's true Kez - but not all people from VWP countries are eligable, I know that you should not use it if you have been arrested........

(Confusion ) Ummmm..... Canadians can't come over if they've been arrested, either. Not without a waiver, anyway.

Warlord.... Canadians can stay for six months without a visa.

No need to be confused....... it was claimed that anyone from the UK can travel to the US on the visa waiver programme, I was just pointing out that that is not the case.

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  Logres said:

  Niagaenola said:

  Teacher said:

I would consider it a blessing that you get the visitor's VISA so easily. I wish my British fiance could come over and visit any time he wanted.

  Doug n Amanda said:

To the USC/Canadian couples: do you find it utterly ridiculous that we are required to file for the AP document? As a Canadian citizen you automatically have a visitor's visa to the US....UNTIL you activate your K1, now you have to ask for permission to return (Advance Parole)??

That makes NO SENSE to us, and Doug, who is always indignant about injustice, wants to know HOW TO CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT....I know....but I have to love his enthusiasm, and honour his request to ask....does anyone understand WHY or WHO to lobby against? He wants to start a petition for change, bless his heart.....

Your British fiance can come over here with just as much ease as the Canadians can.... its called the VWP... all he/she need to bring is evidence that they intend to return to the UK before the I-94w expires.... there are 1000's of fiances come over on vaccation while they wait for their K1....

Kez

That's true Kez - but not all people from VWP countries are eligable, I know that you should not use it if you have been arrested........

The difference between Canada and other VWP countries, I believe is the fact we do not get I-94's. Our passports do not get stamped, we don't even have to show a passport right now, just our D.L. and our B.C.

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  Tinker said:

The difference between Canada and other VWP countries, I believe is the fact we do not get I-94's. Our passports do not get stamped, we don't even have to show a passport right now, just our D.L. and our B.C.

I don't think that Canada participates in the visa waiver programme.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

That is right - Canada does not participate in the visa waiver programme. Canada and the US have a 'special' relationship whereby, unless otherwise directed or required, Canadians are allowed to enter the US as visitors on proof of their Canadian citizenship and Americans are allowed to enter Canada as visitors on proof of their US citizenship. Such admittance is, of course, at the sole discretion of the border guard who 'inspects' the person requesting entry to either country.

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  Kathryn41 said:

That is right - Canada does not participate in the visa waiver programme. Canada and the US have a 'special' relationship whereby, unless otherwise directed or required, Canadians are allowed to enter the US as visitors on proof of their Canadian citizenship and Americans are allowed to enter Canada as visitors on proof of their US citizenship. Such admittance is, of course, at the sole discretion of the border guard who 'inspects' the person requesting entry to either country.

Sounds similar to the agreement between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland...... although we didn't need to prove UK citizenship to visit the Republic of Ireland, just show a photo ID (like driving license).......

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  Kathryn41 said:

That is right - Canada does not participate in the visa waiver programme. Canada and the US have a 'special' relationship whereby, unless otherwise directed or required, Canadians are allowed to enter the US as visitors on proof of their Canadian citizenship and Americans are allowed to enter Canada as visitors on proof of their US citizenship. Such admittance is, of course, at the sole discretion of the border guard who 'inspects' the person requesting entry to either country.

yup! That is how it works. I just got my AP yesterday and although it sucks to wait for it and pay the money, I think it does come down to money. It was an extra i dont know...180 bucks? People want to go home at some point so they almost have to do it. Although I don't know how much use I will get out of it. I will probably go home once before my green card interview comes about. But you know, at least I don't feel trapped anymore!

[Krikit 1,165]

  thetreble said:

yup! That is how it works. I just got my AP yesterday and although it sucks to wait for it and pay the money, I think it does come down to money. It was an extra i dont know...180 bucks? People want to go home at some point so they almost have to do it. Although I don't know how much use I will get out of it. I will probably go home once before my green card interview comes about. But you know, at least I don't feel trapped anymore!

That's one thing I just don't understand. Why does USCIS have it in its head that we don't have family that we need to see, or legalities we need to take care of? Advance "Parole" and the image that that implies, coupled with the feeling of entrapment, really puts a bad taste in my mouth. I am sure there must be SOME sort of logic behind it, but it's beyond me right now.

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yeah i have often felt the same way krikit. just another legality i suppose. I have not been home in 8 months and that has been a long time. But you know, it has gone by fast!

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What really bugs me is that I live 9 miles south of the border. I have only been down here 2 months, but its just the knowing you can't return that pisses me off. It is really nothing much more than inconvenient for me. But my parents just come to see me so they can see their grandchildren. Really it is ridiculous...but hey thems the rules and we gotta heed them!!!

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  mrsserendipity said:

here i am thinking the main thing to focus on is that we are together with our spouses. isn't that all the matters? isn't that what this whole thing is about? concentrate on your life together...wherever that may be. if you're together, screw everything else. don't even think about it. this process is about love, not convenience or pride and heck even justice, lol.

worry about building a life together instead, everything else will come

Here! Here! I will be glad to get back home and Just stay there,,honestly ppl,why even bother goin through all this knowing what you know about the whole process then turn around get to where your goin only to complain that you can't come back when ever the mood strikes you,, I'd give anything to be in your shoes (already in the US)!

I love my kids and my family with all my heart, I told all of them it could be awhile before I see them again and they are ok with that because worst comes to worst they can always come to visit me,but there is also the computer that allows us to talk everyday if needed, but right now all I can think about is the time that my SO and I are missing out on while we are waiting for the USCIS to get off their buttts, I WANT TO GO HOME,!!! But thats my rant for the evening! In the words of my SGT nephew in the canadian armed forces once said SUCK IT UP PRINCESS!!!!

[Krikit 1,165]

  Laynie said:

Here! Here! I will be glad to get back home and Just stay there,,honestly ppl,why even bother goin through all this knowing what you know about the whole process then turn around get to where your goin only to complain that you can't come back when ever the mood strikes you,, I'd give anything to be in your shoes (already in the US)!

I love my kids and my family with all my heart, I told all of them it could be awhile before I see them again and they are ok with that because worst comes to worst they can always come to visit me,but there is also the computer that allows us to talk everyday if needed, but right now all I can think about is the time that my SO and I are missing out on while we are waiting for the USCIS to get off their buttts, I WANT TO GO HOME,!!! But thats my rant for the evening! In the words of my SGT nephew in the canadian armed forces once said SUCK IT UP PRINCESS!!!!

Hi Laynie. I think when you've experienced the death or serious illness of a loved one, and have to go through the heart-rending process of attempting to procure emergency advanced parole during a highly stressful time in order to be with your family, you would understand why it is upsetting.

Don't forget that not everyone has an awareness of the ins and outs of the various family visas and their individual restrictions when they begin this process. Hindsight being 20/20, some of us would have chosen other options.

Good luck in your process.

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  Laynie said:

  mrsserendipity said:

here i am thinking the main thing to focus on is that we are together with our spouses. isn't that all the matters? isn't that what this whole thing is about? concentrate on your life together...wherever that may be. if you're together, screw everything else. don't even think about it. this process is about love, not convenience or pride and heck even justice, lol.

worry about building a life together instead, everything else will come

Here! Here! I will be glad to get back home and Just stay there,,honestly ppl,why even bother goin through all this knowing what you know about the whole process then turn around get to where your goin only to complain that you can't come back when ever the mood strikes you,, I'd give anything to be in your shoes (already in the US)!

I love my kids and my family with all my heart, I told all of them it could be awhile before I see them again and they are ok with that because worst comes to worst they can always come to visit me,but there is also the computer that allows us to talk everyday if needed, but right now all I can think about is the time that my SO and I are missing out on while we are waiting for the USCIS to get off their buttts, I WANT TO GO HOME,!!! But thats my rant for the evening! In the words of my SGT nephew in the canadian armed forces once said SUCK IT UP PRINCESS!!!!

I'm not really sure what your point is here. I really don't think it's wrong to say you want to visit your home and your family and friends after you have been away from them so long. Just because I'm here with my husband it really has no bearing on how I feel about missing my family. It sort of sounds like you are implying that it's ridiculous to go through this process to finally be with your significant other and then want to go visit home. I'm very close to my brothers, for example. It has been a very long time since I have seen them and it makes me very upset. If you can't understand why I would want to see them, I'd rather say you are not a very empathetic individual. Most people here miss people from home and wish they could see them.

It has nothing to do with complaining which I think you have misunderstood. It's heart wrenching to have your family so far and not be able to get a hug from mum when this process is tough. I haven't worked in almost a year. My husband works 70 hours a week. I'm alone a lot. I don't think it's a crime to say, man...I'd really like to go home and see mum and dad for some laughs. Not to mention missing your country. All of us here miss our country and I don't really understand people who don't. It's part of your individual landscape as a person and if someone leaves a place and never once thinks about certain things they miss from home, I think that is...a little abnormal.

Edited September 7, 2007 by thetreble

[Melyssa 0]

  Krikit said:

  Laynie said:

Here! Here! I will be glad to get back home and Just stay there,,honestly ppl,why even bother goin through all this knowing what you know about the whole process then turn around get to where your goin only to complain that you can't come back when ever the mood strikes you,, I'd give anything to be in your shoes (already in the US)!

I love my kids and my family with all my heart, I told all of them it could be awhile before I see them again and they are ok with that because worst comes to worst they can always come to visit me,but there is also the computer that allows us to talk everyday if needed, but right now all I can think about is the time that my SO and I are missing out on while we are waiting for the USCIS to get off their buttts, I WANT TO GO HOME,!!! But thats my rant for the evening! In the words of my SGT nephew in the canadian armed forces once said SUCK IT UP PRINCESS!!!!

Hi Laynie. I think when you've experienced the death or serious illness of a loved one, and have to go through the heart-rending process of attempting to procure emergency advanced parole during a highly stressful time in order to be with your family, you would understand why it is upsetting.

Don't forget that not everyone has an awareness of the ins and outs of the various family visas and their individual restrictions when they begin this process. Hindsight being 20/20, some of us would have chosen other options.

Good luck in your process.

"Hindsight being 20/20, some of us would have chosen other options." - SO TRUE! The ONLY option my fiance and I were really aware of when we filed was the Fiancee Visa. We're still glad we are going THIS route because we know we would have found it a LOT harder to be apart if we were married. That doesn't change the fact that we're also BOTH going to be missing MY family a lot when I finally move and can't leave the country for awhile, and that's definitely one of the things that made the wait on Montreal so much easier on us - because it gave us that much more time to spend with my family (especially me of course, but also him when he was able to visit!)

And Laynie if you have a super close relationship with your family, you and your family might find yourselves missing each other far more than you expect once you are in the U.S. Yes, my fiance and I and my family are "ok" with the fact that I am moving, but that just doesn't change the fact that we're going to be missing them a whole lot! It is also not so easy for my family to just come visit us; even just for one person it would be expensive. And sure there is the computer and phone but it is NOT the same anymore than it would be the same if my fiance and I are able to talk on the phone when we are apart as if it is a better alternative than being able to see each other everyday.

Edited September 7, 2007 by Melyssa

[lynamon 0]

My son would love to be able to see his father but because we wait for advance parole (which I'm assuming will take even longer to get considering the backlog of applications) my little 9 year old will have to wait .. for why?? .. doesn't make a whole lot of sense.