Final public charge rule

[letvapiana 5]

I don't know how this is bad. 
Only thing i see is bad is this counterfeit racist media that is bashing Trump where there is no reason to. 
I taught it effects me(even tho i have green card waiting for i751), because i even found articles where they are gonna start taking our green cards at airport(fake news). This freaked me out for no reason, and i skipped my trip, to visit my sick father because of fake news. Like they seriously can mess up someones life just because they are demonizing Trump.
Like who the hell wants people that are abusing system, have you guys seen those poor cities in California, where people pay everything with EBT cards, dont pay taxes until they make 10 kids so they can get money back, get insurance, housing for free without even being legal. I mean even Americans shouldn't do that for granted(just my opinion) but as temporary help, meanwhile they see is at way permanent thing, and also all of those child support things, while at the same time being racist and blaming people, by saying that"they hate their race", where its not race thing, its just awful selection of immigrants representing all of us in a bad light, which are trying to do good. Because of them even i my self, when i think about word immigrant, first thing that comes to my mind is uneducated person with low IQ, selfish, and racist. Yeah that is awful. Racism that boils in that is awful, because media is feeding them  by telling them they are at that position because of their race. 
From what i understand this affects only people that don't have green cards, and even if u were abusing gov money, like it doesnt matter if u dont do it after oct 15. Even if u do it after oct 15, u can get papers possibly after 36 months. What do people want more, and how is this a bad thing? Racist people that take young engineers, doctors and similar professions(even from their own country) spot by living here like leeches is what is really racist and unfair.
I see someone asking does it affect people filling i751. No it doesn't. I took fee waivers at college(i didnt get free money) i was scared that'll affect me. I always taught going to college is a good thing for uscis(which it probably  is). I talked to lawyer and he clarified it that it doesnt effect us, even tho we are conditional residents, we are still permanent residents, and if u got your first GC, you are not affected by this! Sorry for mistypes, i kinda wrote long post on the go.

Edited August 22, 2019 by letvapiana

[fascinating123 38]

41 minutes ago, letvapiana said:

I don't know how this is bad. 
Only thing i see is bad is this counterfeit racist media that is bashing Trump where there is no reason to. 
I taught it effects me(even tho i have green card waiting for i751), because i even found articles where they are gonna start taking our green cards at airport(fake news). This freaked me out for no reason, and i skipped my trip, to visit my sick father because of fake news. Like they seriously can mess up someones life just because they are demonizing Trump.
Like who the hell wants people that are abusing system, have you guys seen those poor cities in California, where people pay everything with EBT cards, dont pay taxes until they make 10 kids so they can get money back, get insurance, housing for free without even being legal. I mean even Americans shouldn't do that for granted(just my opinion) but as temporary help, meanwhile they see is at way permanent thing, and also all of those child support things, while at the same time being racist and blaming people, by saying that"they hate their race", where its not race thing, its just awful selection of immigrants representing all of us in a bad light, which are trying to do good. Because of them even i my self, when i think about word immigrant, first thing that comes to my mind is uneducated person with low IQ, selfish, and racist. Yeah that is awful. Racism that boils in that is awful, because media is feeding them  by telling them they are at that position because of their race. 
From what i understand this affects only people that don't have green cards, and even if u were abusing gov money, like it doesnt matter if u dont do it after oct 15. Even if u do it after oct 15, u can get papers possibly after 36 months. What do people want more, and how is this a bad thing? Racist people that take young engineers, doctors and similar professions(even from their own country) spot by living here like leeches is what is really racist and unfair.
I see someone asking does it affect people filling i751. No it doesn't. I took fee waivers at college(i didnt get free money) i was scared that'll affect me. I always taught going to college is a good thing for uscis(which it probably  is). I talked to lawyer and he clarified it that it doesnt effect us, even tho we are conditional residents, we are still permanent residents, and if u got your first GC, you are not affected by this! Sorry for mistypes, i kinda wrote long post on the go.

Well, I think the problem (and i don't necessarily think it started with Trump) is the amount of discretion immigration officers have when ascertaining whether they believe someone is or will be a public charge. Sure, someone who has used public benefits might be easy to spot, but what of someone sponsoring their parents (or one of them)? That person might have a hard time proving their parent(s) won't be a public charge other than not using welfare (which is a fairly low bar to clear, IMO) not because they're a lazy leach, but because it's hard to prove a negative. 

 

I think it's too early to say for certain how this rule will be implemented. But what I've learned about government is that it's always good to be suspicious of it. It's no wonder people are worried. 

[Highmystic 234]

On 8/12/2019 at 2:35 PM, Ptitchou said:

https://www.boundless.com/blog/public-charge-rule-explained/

 

https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20190812280/immigrants-will-be-required-to-show-credit-scores-or-fulfill-other-financial-criteria-if-they-want-to-become-us-citizens

As Dave Ramsey would say.. "A high credit score only means you love being in debt"

[fascinating123 38]

15 minutes ago, Highmystic said:

As Dave Ramsey would say.. "A high credit score only means you love being in debt"

With all due respect to Mr. Ramsey, he's actually incorrect on this one.

[Scandi 4,162]

20 minutes ago, fascinating123 said:

With all due respect to Mr. Ramsey, he's actually incorrect on this one.

I was wondering about that. I don't know much about credit scores and nothing about how they work, but I do have a high score myself and have never been in debt or taken a loan in my entire life. 🤷 Apparently credit scores are insanely important in this country, good to have a good one, in other words. 

[Crazy Cat 41,744]

6 minutes ago, Scandi said:

I was wondering about that. I don't know much about credit scores and nothing about how they work, but I do have a high score myself and have never been in debt or taken a loan in my entire life. 🤷 Apparently credit scores are insanely important in this country, good to have a good one, in other words. 

An excellent credit score indicates, among other things, a good history of debt repayment, a healthy ratio of debt to available credit, credit trustworthiness, and more.

[fascinating123 38]

13 minutes ago, Scandi said:

I was wondering about that. I don't know much about credit scores and nothing about how they work, but I do have a high score myself and have never been in debt or taken a loan in my entire life. 🤷 Apparently credit scores are insanely important in this country, good to have a good one, in other words. 

A good credit score merely means you have a lengthy history of responsibly using credit when it has been extended to you and not applying for credit needlessly.

 

There are some personal finance gurus (I guess that's what one can call them) like Dave Ramsey who are credit-phobic. As if having a credit card or home equity line of credit, etc. is going to instantly make you run up your credit lines and put you into thousands of dollars in debt. In point of fact, if you don't spend money you don't have, you can actually make a couple hundred dollars a year in rewards by just using your credit card instead of cash or debit (paying the balance off prior to the statement due date to avoid paying interest of course). Plenty of people can't use credit responsibly and those people should avoid credit. But the idea that all credit is bad and should be avoided like the plague is nutty.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

5 hours ago, Highmystic said:

As Dave Ramsey would say.. "A high credit score only means you love being in debt"

People who say that really don’t know how to manage money.  Ramsey’s a moron.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

On 8/18/2019 at 2:36 PM, jim_julian said:

It's been a few years since I've posted.  VJ was a tremendously valuable resource when I brought my K-1 and K-2 to the USA.

 

K-1 is now a naturalized citizen who loves America.  K-2 is a UCLA grad on a GC supporting herself.  I've been married to the K-1 for 10+ years and consider the K-2 to be my "real" daughter, as she does.

 

K-2 is in process of renewing her 10 year GC.  We live in California and K-2 has MediCal health insurance for which she pays zero as her income does not exceed 138% of the national poverty level.  I've spent a LOT of time researching this on the web without concrete results.

 

Will the fact that K-2 has MediCal no cost (to her) health insurance qualify as government support in the sense of the clarified regulations and provide one factor that could jeopardize her GC renewal?

 

Thanks!

This does not apply either to GC holders 5+ years or to renewal

[Paduppa 0]

Please excuse me for jumping in. 
Since I'm is considering to file for CR-1, may I have correct understanding of the "postmarked" date related to the final public charge rules, please.
Which state of application would fall into "pending" status and will not be subject to the final rule? 

[K1visaHopeful 2,805]

8 minutes ago, Paduppa said:

Please excuse me for jumping in. 
Since I'm is considering to file for CR-1, may I have correct understanding of the "postmarked" date related to the final public charge rules, please.
Which state of application would fall into "pending" status and will not be subject to the final rule? 

Youd need to file the I130 before Oct 15th at midnight ie. Your package would need to be postmarked Oct 14th for the rule to not apply to you.

[Hemutian 68]

1 hour ago, K1visaHopeful said:

Youd need to file the I130 before Oct 15th at midnight ie. Your package would need to be postmarked Oct 14th for the rule to not apply to you.

What about a holder of a K1 fiancee who is filing for AOS after entering the US and marrying the petitioner? 

If the i-485 is postmarked Oct 14th would it also avoid the rule change?

 

We just passed the interview, are waiting for the K1 visa, and planning to fly to US Sep 26th. I wonder if that's enough time to get married and file i-485 before the rules change.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Hemutian
clarification

[Crazy Cat 41,744]

47 minutes ago, Hemutian said:

What about a holder of a K1 fiancee who is filing for AOS after entering the US and marrying the petitioner? 

If the i-485 is postmarked Oct 14th would it also avoid the rule change?

In theory, yes.......

[geowrian 22,337]

3 hours ago, K1visaHopeful said:

Youd need to file the I130 before Oct 15th at midnight ie. Your package would need to be postmarked Oct 14th for the rule to not apply to you.

Are we certain on the timing? The public charge issue has nothing to do with the I-130 itself. This rule applies for applications and petitions where there is a public charge consideration (AOS of family members being the big one, with EOS/COS being second).

As for a visa, the timing would be different. Also, note that this is a USCIS/DHS rule, not DOS rule at this time (although I would assume their FAM will likely be updated similarly).

[K1visaHopeful 2,805]

3 hours ago, geowrian said:

Are we certain on the timing? The public charge issue has nothing to do with the I-130 itself. This rule applies for applications and petitions where there is a public charge consideration (AOS of family members being the big one, with EOS/COS being second).

As for a visa, the timing would be different. Also, note that this is a USCIS/DHS rule, not DOS rule at this time (although I would assume their FAM will likely be updated similarly).

Of course not but as the rule is written now, it says "petitions filed" so we can only assume that this wont affect them down the line when they are required to file an Affidavit of Support at later stages IF they apply before Oct 15th. 

A consular Spousal Visa doesnt have to file an I485 (or an I944 which would soon be required??) so it's not clear how they will implement the PCR in their case.

Edited August 29, 2019 by K1visaHopeful