Surrendered Green Card Form...do we need it?

[jundp 191]

My fiance had a green card previously which he surrendered when he moved back to Germany. His father was transferred to the US, the whole family was here for about 6 years and they all (parents and 4 children) received Permanent Resident cards. P was over 18 when they left the US and all of them surrendered their GCs to the consulate upon their return to Germany.

I'm wondering if this is something that we need to disclose somewhere in our I 129f paperwork. We've both looked, we've read guides here and scoured the USCIS website. I may be missing something, but I don't see a reference to this. I know that if he had overstayed a visa that could be an issue. Should we worry about this? Does it even matter? Everything was handled through his father's company and all the proper channels were navigated upon their departure from the US.

For that matter, he does have a SS number, which we've put on the paperwork, but obviously since his Green Card was surrendered, he no longer has an A number.

I truly did not think it could be this confusing, yet, here I am again asking a question which may be obvious to some....but sure as heck isn't to me

Any ideas?

[rebeccajo 14]

The family has no paperwork left from their stay in the US? Nothing that references this period? I would ask them to look as deeply as possible.

If not, cover your petition with a letter explaining the situation as you have here.

My husband had been here on a prior J1 visa and a prior A number and had no paperwork left either. I placed a cover letter on my petition and had no difficulties.

I realize that's not the same situation as a full blown greencard, but they should be able to cross reference anything they want to look up from the new petition.

[jundp 191]

Thanks Rebeccajo. Actually, they have copies of his green card surrender form, and he has transcripts from high school and college in the US. I just wasn't sure if this was something that we should include in the petition, or if I should just mention it in a cover letter and make sure he has this stuff with him for the interview.

[rebeccajo 14]

Attach whatever he has that validates the incident.

[jundp 191]

Ok, he's sending me a copy of his I 407 (the surrender form) and a copy of his SS card too.

I wonder if anyone else has had a situation like this?

I don't want to offer too much, but I'd also like to show that I am aware that he was here before and under what circumstances....Maybe they won't care, but I'd hate for it to come up at his interview and they wonder why we didn't disclose this..

[rebeccajo 14]

Ok, he's sending me a copy of his I 407 (the surrender form) and a copy of his SS card too.

I wonder if anyone else has had a situation like this?

I don't want to offer too much, but I'd also like to show that I am aware that he was here before and under what circumstances....Maybe they won't care, but I'd hate for it to come up at his interview and they wonder why we didn't disclose this..

Which is exactly why should disclose everything you do know.

If all was done legally there should be no issues. The less information you give them the longer it is going to take for them to search their files, which they will do.

[Yodrak 7]

jundp,

Not so obvious, he does still have an A#. If he knows what it is that would be a handy bit of information for the USCIS to know - it will help them to locate his file in the archives.

Yodrak

My fiance had a green card previously which he surrendered when he moved back to Germany. ..... obviously since his Green Card was surrendered, he no longer has an A number.

.....

Any ideas?

[jundp 191]

But this isn't the A number that we put on the petition form, correct? That will be one that is assigned to him for this visa?

Thank you.

jundp,

Not so obvious, he does still have an A#. If he knows what it is that would be a handy bit of information for the USCIS to know - it will help them to locate his file in the archives.

Yodrak

My fiance had a green card previously which he surrendered when he moved back to Germany. ..... obviously since his Green Card was surrendered, he no longer has an A number.

.....

Any ideas?

[rebeccajo 14]

If he has an A number, you should report it.

That's what I was trying to do with my husband's file. Unfortunately we couldn't find any of his paperwork.

However, you can't report what you don't know, so do the best you can otherwise.

PS - We later found my husband's paperwork, after his visa had been granted. Can you spell 'ANNOYED'? LOL

[payxibka 10,047]

Can you spell 'ANNOYED'? LOL

Ummmm I think you just did.....

[jundp 191]

Wow, I'm glad I asked that question.

Thanks everyone for your input.

[Yodrak 7]

jundp,

If you don't give them his old A# then they may well assign him a new one. They may anyway. Or they may continue using the existing A#.

The point is that if he has a history with the USCIS or its' predecessor INS - and he does - they want to know about it. They will get his old file out of the archives and review it as part of the processing of the new case. His A# is the identifier for his old file.

Yodrak

But this isn't the A number that we put on the petition form, correct? That will be one that is assigned to him for this visa?

Thank you.

jundp,

Not so obvious, he does still have an A#. If he knows what it is that would be a handy bit of information for the USCIS to know - it will help them to locate his file in the archives.

Yodrak

My fiance had a green card previously which he surrendered when he moved back to Germany. ..... obviously since his Green Card was surrendered, he no longer has an A number.

.....

Any ideas?

Edited June 4, 2007 by Yodrak

[jundp 191]

jundp,

If you don't give them his old A# then they may well assign him a new one. They may anyway. Or they may continue using the existing A#.

The point is that if he has a history with the USCIS or its' predecessor INS - and he does - they want to know about it. They will get his old file out of the archives and review it as part of the processing of the new case. His A# is the identifier for his old file.

Yodrak

Thanks. We'll go ahead and include the A number with his surrender form.

[no name 1]

jundp,

If you don't give them his old A# then they may well assign him a new one. They may anyway. Or they may continue using the existing A#.

The point is that if he has a history with the USCIS or its' predecessor INS - and he does - they want to know about it. They will get his old file out of the archives and review it as part of the processing of the new case. His A# is the identifier for his old file.

Yodrak

Yodrak-

Won't they use his SSN to come up with all that stuff in an easier way?

[rebeccajo 14]

jundp,

If you don't give them his old A# then they may well assign him a new one. They may anyway. Or they may continue using the existing A#.

The point is that if he has a history with the USCIS or its' predecessor INS - and he does - they want to know about it. They will get his old file out of the archives and review it as part of the processing of the new case. His A# is the identifier for his old file.

Yodrak

Yodrak-

Won't they use his SSN to come up with all that stuff in an easier way?

Dev -

I know you weren't speaking to me, but I doubt they would look up a file with a SS number.

Not all greencard holders have a SS number that USCIS is aware of (ie they don't have the number when they file) and certainly not all visa beneficiaries have SS a number.

But they all have A numbers.