Is anyone watching the debates tonight and tomorrow?

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15 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Why do fact-checkers find more false statements from Trump than Biden?

 

    https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/28/why-do-fact-checkers-find-more-false-statements-from-trump-than-biden/42343935/

    

They have difficulty understanding what he is rambling on about?

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23 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Why do fact-checkers find more false statements from Trump than Biden?

 

    https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/28/why-do-fact-checkers-find-more-false-statements-from-trump-than-biden/42343935/

    

Maybe because they aren't fact checking Biden.

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I bet they didn't fact check Biden's " I have never received a penny from any foreign government" statement......

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,372]

34 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Why do fact-checkers find more false statements from Trump than Biden?

 

    https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/28/why-do-fact-checkers-find-more-false-statements-from-trump-than-biden/42343935/

    

You really have to ask that. The same reason they refuse to cover the Biden/Laptop scandal 

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

You really have to ask that. The same reason they refuse to cover the Biden/Laptop scandal 

 

    You are actually correct, they find more factual errors with Trump for the exact same reason that they aren't giving much credence to the laptop story. It's because neither has much credibility. 

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1 hour ago, Lucky Cat said:

I bet they didn't fact check Biden's " I have never received a penny from any foreign government" statement......

 

  They did and they called it a lie. The actual statement was "any foreign source", not "any foreign government". Fact checking is not really a hard job. If you don't like someone else's, you can do your own. Biden lies as much as almost anybody, but nobody lies as much as Trump. 

 

   ETA: sorry, that was Trump they fact checked about foreign income. Biden's was his statement about total income, which they called him out for lying.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Steeleballz

[Steeleballz 7,550]

Fact check: What Trump and Biden got wrong in the final presidential debate

 

 

From Trump:

• Trump accused Biden of receiving “$3.5 million from Russia.” There’s no evidence of that.

• Trump erred when he said it’s “proven” that a minimum-wage boost would lead to many firings. There’s a chance that the effect could be “about zero,” according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

• Trump falsely said “I don’t take” money from Wall Street. He and groups supporting him got about $13.8 million from Wall Street.

• The president falsely claimed that his bank account in China was “closed in 2015.” Trump’s own attorney said it remains open.

• Trump claimed that the $750 the New York Times reported he paid in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017 was a “filing fee.” There is no such fee.

• Trump repeated his claim that “we’re rounding the turn” on the pandemic. Cases actually are increasing in many parts of the country.

• Trump misleadingly suggested the Obama administration was to blame for his administration’s policy that caused the separation of immigrant families.

• Trump falsely claimed that “less than 1%” of those caught crossing the border and released pending immigration hearings appear in court. The rate is about 50%, according to his own Justice Department.

• The president falsely claimed murderers and rapists are released under a so-called “catch and release” policy. In fact, immigration laws require such criminals be detained.

• Trump said African American income grew “nine times” more under his administration than under his predecessor. But that relies on figures Census says suffer from a pandemic-induced survey bias.

• The president quoted Anthony Fauci as saying the coronavirus was “not going to be a problem.” Fauci didn’t say that.

• Trump claimed that Biden wants to raise “everybody’s” taxes. Analysts say 80% would get a cut.

• Trump again falsely claimed Biden would get rid of private health insurance. Biden opposed Medicare for All.

• Trump wrongly attributed the term “super-predator” to Biden. It was Hillary Clinton — not Biden — who applied the term to some “gangs of kids.”

 

From Biden:

• Biden said there’s “no evidence” that raising the minimum wage causes business bankruptcies. There is, a little.

• Biden claimed Social Security’s chief actuary said if Trump “continues his plan to withhold the tax on Social Security” the program “will be bankrupt by 2023.” Trump hasn’t proposed ending the tax without providing alternative funding, the scenario the actuary assessed.

• Though Biden claimed Trump’s travel restrictions on China were imposed “late, after 40 countries had already done that,” most of those countries did it around the same time Trump did.

• Biden misleadingly claimed that “38,000 prisoners were released from federal prison” during the Obama administration. The total number went down by about 12,000.

• Biden claimed the U.S. trade deficit with China went “up, not down” under Trump. In fact it was lower in 2019 than it was in Biden’s last year as vice president.

• Biden misquoted Sen. Mitch McConnell as saying, “Let them go bankrupt,” about cities and states that have lost revenue as a result of the pandemic. McConnell said bankruptcy should be a legal option for states with unrelated money woes.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/23/factcheck-org-corrects-trump-biden-claims-final-debate/3740727001/

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1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

Fact check: What Trump and Biden got wrong in the final presidential debate

 

 

From Trump:

• Trump accused Biden of receiving “$3.5 million from Russia.” There’s no evidence of that.

• Trump erred when he said it’s “proven” that a minimum-wage boost would lead to many firings. There’s a chance that the effect could be “about zero,” according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

• Trump falsely said “I don’t take” money from Wall Street. He and groups supporting him got about $13.8 million from Wall Street.

• The president falsely claimed that his bank account in China was “closed in 2015.” Trump’s own attorney said it remains open.

• Trump claimed that the $750 the New York Times reported he paid in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017 was a “filing fee.” There is no such fee.

• Trump repeated his claim that “we’re rounding the turn” on the pandemic. Cases actually are increasing in many parts of the country.

• Trump misleadingly suggested the Obama administration was to blame for his administration’s policy that caused the separation of immigrant families.

• Trump falsely claimed that “less than 1%” of those caught crossing the border and released pending immigration hearings appear in court. The rate is about 50%, according to his own Justice Department.

• The president falsely claimed murderers and rapists are released under a so-called “catch and release” policy. In fact, immigration laws require such criminals be detained.

• Trump said African American income grew “nine times” more under his administration than under his predecessor. But that relies on figures Census says suffer from a pandemic-induced survey bias.

• The president quoted Anthony Fauci as saying the coronavirus was “not going to be a problem.” Fauci didn’t say that.

• Trump claimed that Biden wants to raise “everybody’s” taxes. Analysts say 80% would get a cut.

• Trump again falsely claimed Biden would get rid of private health insurance. Biden opposed Medicare for All.

• Trump wrongly attributed the term “super-predator” to Biden. It was Hillary Clinton — not Biden — who applied the term to some “gangs of kids.”

 

From Biden:

• Biden said there’s “no evidence” that raising the minimum wage causes business bankruptcies. There is, a little.

• Biden claimed Social Security’s chief actuary said if Trump “continues his plan to withhold the tax on Social Security” the program “will be bankrupt by 2023.” Trump hasn’t proposed ending the tax without providing alternative funding, the scenario the actuary assessed.

• Though Biden claimed Trump’s travel restrictions on China were imposed “late, after 40 countries had already done that,” most of those countries did it around the same time Trump did.

• Biden misleadingly claimed that “38,000 prisoners were released from federal prison” during the Obama administration. The total number went down by about 12,000.

• Biden claimed the U.S. trade deficit with China went “up, not down” under Trump. In fact it was lower in 2019 than it was in Biden’s last year as vice president.

• Biden misquoted Sen. Mitch McConnell as saying, “Let them go bankrupt,” about cities and states that have lost revenue as a result of the pandemic. McConnell said bankruptcy should be a legal option for states with unrelated money woes.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/23/factcheck-org-corrects-trump-biden-claims-final-debate/3740727001/

Why didn't they fact check Biden regarding his past well documented views on fracking?  I also believe Biden said we would get to 0 emissions of CO2 by 2025.

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1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

Fact check: What Trump and Biden got wrong in the final presidential debate

 

 

From Trump:

• Trump accused Biden of receiving “$3.5 million from Russia.” There’s no evidence of that.

• Trump erred when he said it’s “proven” that a minimum-wage boost would lead to many firings. There’s a chance that the effect could be “about zero,” according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

• Trump falsely said “I don’t take” money from Wall Street. He and groups supporting him got about $13.8 million from Wall Street.

• The president falsely claimed that his bank account in China was “closed in 2015.” Trump’s own attorney said it remains open.

• Trump claimed that the $750 the New York Times reported he paid in federal income taxes in 2016 and 2017 was a “filing fee.” There is no such fee.

• Trump repeated his claim that “we’re rounding the turn” on the pandemic. Cases actually are increasing in many parts of the country.

• Trump misleadingly suggested the Obama administration was to blame for his administration’s policy that caused the separation of immigrant families.

• Trump falsely claimed that “less than 1%” of those caught crossing the border and released pending immigration hearings appear in court. The rate is about 50%, according to his own Justice Department.

• The president falsely claimed murderers and rapists are released under a so-called “catch and release” policy. In fact, immigration laws require such criminals be detained.

• Trump said African American income grew “nine times” more under his administration than under his predecessor. But that relies on figures Census says suffer from a pandemic-induced survey bias.

• The president quoted Anthony Fauci as saying the coronavirus was “not going to be a problem.” Fauci didn’t say that.

• Trump claimed that Biden wants to raise “everybody’s” taxes. Analysts say 80% would get a cut.

• Trump again falsely claimed Biden would get rid of private health insurance. Biden opposed Medicare for All.

• Trump wrongly attributed the term “super-predator” to Biden. It was Hillary Clinton — not Biden — who applied the term to some “gangs of kids.”

 

From Biden:

• Biden said there’s “no evidence” that raising the minimum wage causes business bankruptcies. There is, a little.

• Biden claimed Social Security’s chief actuary said if Trump “continues his plan to withhold the tax on Social Security” the program “will be bankrupt by 2023.” Trump hasn’t proposed ending the tax without providing alternative funding, the scenario the actuary assessed.

• Though Biden claimed Trump’s travel restrictions on China were imposed “late, after 40 countries had already done that,” most of those countries did it around the same time Trump did.

• Biden misleadingly claimed that “38,000 prisoners were released from federal prison” during the Obama administration. The total number went down by about 12,000.

• Biden claimed the U.S. trade deficit with China went “up, not down” under Trump. In fact it was lower in 2019 than it was in Biden’s last year as vice president.

• Biden misquoted Sen. Mitch McConnell as saying, “Let them go bankrupt,” about cities and states that have lost revenue as a result of the pandemic. McConnell said bankruptcy should be a legal option for states with unrelated money woes.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/23/factcheck-org-corrects-trump-biden-claims-final-debate/3740727001/

That list is one of the most inaccurate "fact checks" I have ever seen.... Exactly who is fact checking the "fact checkers"???  I see at least 3 or 4 incorrect statements under the Trump list.  No, I am not going to prove anything.  People need to do their own research.....

Edited October 23, 2020 by Lucky Cat

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Hold your horses, Biden did not call PoC Super Predators, that was Hillary.

 

He called them Predators.

 

The more interesting question is why he gets a pass. Well why both of them do.

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2 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

It's because neither has much credibility. 

The laptop story doesn't have much credibility?  Really????  There is more credibility there than anything the FBI cooked up against Trump.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

It's not credible to people that don't want it to be. It's that easy. 

 

Many of these same people were pitching a hissy fit about the "credible" bs Ford allegations, which didn't have a fraction of the evidence this does.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

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1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

It's not credible to people that don't want it to be. It's that easy. 

 

Many of these same people were pitching a hissy fit about the "credible" bs Ford allegations, which didn't have a fraction of the evidence this does.

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1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

It's not credible to people that don't want it to be. It's that easy. 

 

Many of these same people were pitching a hissy fit about the "credible" bs Ford allegations, which didn't have a fraction of the evidence this does.

Conformation bias at its best.