Is anyone watching the debates tonight and tomorrow?

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1 hour ago, Boiler said:

what can be done?

Excellent question.

Current dual titles:  Big Chief Sitting Bolshevik / Big Chief Spewing Bull

Strip those.

New title:  Big Chief Stolen Valor

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,367]

The point is

Why would she lie about her ethnicity,  unless she was trying to gain something?

Why hasnt she been disbarred for lying on her bar application?

In most places lying on job applications gets you fired.

 

Close your eyes and imagine the poop show if a conservative had been caught impersonating a minority for personal gain.

Of course there is no way a liberal college professor would lie to protect another radical liberal.

Dr Ford proved liberal academic types celebrate fabrications. 

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Did BCKing hack Maven's account?!?

[laylalex 7,282]

But NB, if she didn't know it wasn't correct and she believed it to be true, it's not lying. It's just being misinformed. There are so many cases where people grow up thinking their entire family tree is white, and then it turns out their parent "passed" as white and never told them that they weren't "all white" (whatever that means). So if she was told "you're of Native American blood" from when she was a small child, why would she think to doubt it? I don't think it's a lie if you believe it to be true when you say it. That doesn't mean it isn't false.

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4 minutes ago, laylalex said:

But NB, if she didn't know it wasn't correct and she believed it to be true, it's not lying. It's just being misinformed. There are so many cases where people grow up thinking their entire family tree is white, and then it turns out their parent "passed" as white and never told them that they weren't "all white" (whatever that means). So if she was told "you're of Native American blood" from when she was a small child, why would she think to doubt it? I don't think it's a lie if you believe it to be true when you say it. That doesn't mean it isn't false.

If she thought that from a child onwards, it would have been on all her apps.  She wouldn't be going back and changing them later, would she?

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1 minute ago, ALFKAD said:

If she thought that from a child onwards, it would have been on all her apps.  She wouldn't be going back and changing them later, would she?

Well, I am not as old as she is, so I don't know if it was always an option on all applications. And perhaps she thought sometimes it would be disadvantageous and sometimes it would be advantageous to mention it, as she really isn't (as she knew then) full-blooded Native American. The history of passing and code-switching in this country is complicated and as a white person I'm not really qualified to talk about it much. A good friend of mine is biracial and has at times called herself white, black, or biracial, as it suited her. Of course, all are true. 

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28 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Well, I am not as old as she is, so I don't know if it was always an option on all applications. And perhaps she thought sometimes it would be disadvantageous and sometimes it would be advantageous to mention it, as she really isn't (as she knew then) full-blooded Native American. The history of passing and code-switching in this country is complicated and as a white person I'm not really qualified to talk about it much. A good friend of mine is biracial and has at times called herself white, black, or biracial, as it suited her. Of course, all are true. 

And if she put black on her paperwork in order to gain a hiring advantage, so be it.  She has that right via an honest claim.  Liawatha?  Not so much.  

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43 minutes ago, laylalex said:

But NB, if she didn't know it wasn't correct and she believed it to be true, it's not lying. It's just being misinformed. There are so many cases where people grow up thinking their entire family tree is white, and then it turns out their parent "passed" as white and never told them that they weren't "all white" (whatever that means). So if she was told "you're of Native American blood" from when she was a small child, why would she think to doubt it? I don't think it's a lie if you believe it to be true when you say it. That doesn't mean it isn't false.

Omg sweet pea. She didnt know she wasnt an Indian of the non Patel variety?

You cant be serious!

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35 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Well, I am not as old as she is, so I don't know if it was always an option on all applications. And perhaps she thought sometimes it would be disadvantageous and sometimes it would be advantageous to mention it, as she really isn't (as she knew then) full-blooded Native American. The history of passing and code-switching in this country is complicated and as a white person I'm not really qualified to talk about it much. A good friend of mine is biracial and has at times called herself white, black, or biracial, as it suited her. Of course, all are true. 

True for your friend not for pocahontas. 

 

 

[laylalex 7,282]

I don't know, if my parents and grandparents had told me I was part something, I'd believe it. Why would I doubt it? Outward appearance doesn't always say everything. 

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33 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Omg sweet pea. She didnt know she wasnt an Indian of the non Patel variety?

You cant be serious!

Not that I believe Warren's claims one bit...  but I had this aunt, she always was a bit dotty upstairs, but she swore that she was Native American when I was little. Did the research, happy to report she was hilariously 100% German. Probably would have crushed her to know the truth (honestly swear she'd use bronzer.. and tried to style her hair like.. ugh it's so stupid). It's really weird how some people want to make themselves be another culture they are not, nor do I know why you'd make such an odd claim to try and get into a school. Now my other aunt that recently passed, she made similar claims, but she was correct in them. Her ancestors went waaaaaaay back to native indigenous peoples in Mexico and then later French settlers that intermarried before Texas even existed.

Edited January 17, 2020 by yuna628

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25 minutes ago, laylalex said:

I don't know, if my parents and grandparents had told me I was part something, I'd believe it. Why would I doubt it? Outward appearance doesn't always say everything. 

Again... if she believed she was indian from birth, why wait until so late in life to use it on her apps?  One would think pride in heritage would have started at a much younger age.

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1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

True for your friend not for pocahontas. 

 

 

Regardless of what Trump called her, what box she checked, what her Grandmother said about what tribes, what the Trumpanistas want to believe to make themselves feel better , she has genetic markers that can only come from the empirical fact that she has a Native American ancestors. 

 

If you have the ancestors and it doesn't appear, it does not disprove anything. If you have ancestry and the markers it is proof 99.99999% positive.

 

That is the science. That is truth.

 

I am not saying she has the right to identify as a Tribal member, but it certainly should be the sign that folks calling her a list should just hush.

 

If you have some plausible explanation for how a European might have Native American genes that doesn't involve KonTiki type voyages, please share.

Edited January 17, 2020 by 90DayFinancier

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11 hours ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Regardless of what Trump called her, what box she checked, what her Grandmother said about what tribes, what the Trumpanistas want to believe to make themselves feel better , she has genetic markers that can only come from the empirical fact that she has a Native American ancestors. 

 

If you have the ancestors and it doesn't appear, it does not disprove anything. If you have ancestry and the markers it is proof 99.99999% positive.

 

That is the science. That is truth.

 

I am not saying she has the right to identify as a Tribal member, but it certainly should be the sign that folks calling her a list should just hush.

 

If you have some plausible explanation for how a European might have Native American genes that doesn't involve KonTiki type voyages, please share.

Oh dear God. 1/512 face palm 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Oh dear God. 1/512 face palm 

Wasn't it 1/1024th or some comically infinitesimal number?

Edited January 17, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds