Fiancee was denied her visa and issued a 221g.

[Just Paul 4,595]

6 minutes ago, Hyuga said:

Thank you even if she is a woman, thank you

what country? what are the exact ages? what religions?

[Hyuga 3]

Just now, Paul & Mary said:

what country? what are the exact ages? what religions?

 

Luxembourg, she is Christian, i was born in Luxembourg i did all my scolarship in Catholic school but my parents come from North Africa, Algeria. I have 2 passport, and i'm worried if they judge me because my family name because it's a muslim name, but i go to church with her.

 

Thank you i'm 36 she is 50

[Boiler 45,486]

That would be culturally unusual.

[Hyuga 3]

7 minutes ago, Boiler said:

That would be culturally unusual.

I have western culture, i grew up in Europe, i never lived in the country of my parents. do you think it can be a problem?

 

Even all my girl friends were Europeans all my life

[Pharoe40 15]

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 6:03 PM, Reconnecting Reco said:

Her interview was today and she was unfortunately denied. The reason she was given was the interviewer didn't believe in the relationship but didn't ask to see any of the proof she brought with her. She was issued a 221g but it doesn't say anything about whag documents she needs. I did get a email saying it will be sent back to USCIS where it will be expired. I'm confused on what the next move should be.

This is absolutely horrible to hear and I'm truly sorry you and you're fiancé are going through this. Did your fiancé give you a break down of the questions that were asked during the interview and her responses? I see some have commented that often time a decision is made prior to the interview but I truly hope that isn't the case.

Edited July 26, 2019 by Pharoe40

[JeanneAdil 6,498]

On 7/25/2019 at 1:19 PM, Hyuga said:

i have an age gap with my fiancee, do you think i can be denied i'm over 30 years old and my fiancee over 40 years old i'm from Europe. I saw couple with big age gap approved and it was the woman who was older. Thank you

not such a big issue for European countries 

it is for African nations as they are considered high fraud by USCIS

[wbeem 568]

On 7/25/2019 at 1:19 PM, Hyuga said:

i have an age gap with my fiancee, do you think i can be denied i'm over 30 years old and my fiancee over 40 years old i'm from Europe. I saw couple with big age gap approved and it was the woman who was older. Thank you

10 years age gap by the time you're near your 30's is really not uncommon. Although I am the younger one in the relationship, my husband is 10 years older than me and we've never given it a thought, nor has it been mentioned or anything asked about it.  

[Lucco 3]

As someone mentioned, I think all of Africa is considered high fraud so it was better to frontload evidence along with i129f. File a CR1 and if they deny that at least you can appeal that one.

[visafrompa 9]

On 7/26/2019 at 5:14 PM, Lucco said:

As someone mentioned, I think all of Africa is considered high fraud so it was better to frontload evidence along with i129f. File a CR1 and if they deny that at least you can appeal that one.

I searched for this mythical list of 'high fraud countries' and found one list, in a GAO report,  from about 10 years ago, that listed 5 countries.  China was one, IIRC Mexico was another.  Algeria was not listed.

 

'Frontloading' evidence is just the forum's hive mentality.  I doubt that 500 pages of chat transcripts or more photos would convince the IO that what he thinks is wrong is not as it seems.  If USCIS/NVC/IO needed specific items, they will ask for them.  For all intents and purposes the decision to grant will be made long before the interview.  It kinda sucks that they don't tell you BEFORE you pony up for the medical/DS-160 etc etc but that's the game we all have to play.  If you meet the requirements to get the I-129F accepted the only things that can trip up your K1:

 

Health related 

Criminal charges/activities

Security related (ties to terrorism direct or indirect)

Income level

Previous immigration violation (visa overstay, found inadmissible)

Poor/missing documents

Ineligible for citizenship 

Previously removed from the US (deported or banned)

Miscellaneous - things like polygamists, child abductors/sex trafficers/ unlawfull voting (hey.. not me..this is off the USCIS web site).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 28, 2019 by visafrompa

[geowrian 22,337]

I've never seen a serious remark of an entire continent being considered high fraud...just specific countries.

As for which countries in particular would be considered "high fraud", it's pretty much a collection of knowledge developed over time. Some involve higher levels of scrutiny than others.

 

Frontloading is something best addressed based upon the specific country involved. For instance, with Manila, there's no point IMO since the CO doesn't even know who they will have until you show up at their window. They have no time to review the packet beforehand. Whereas with a country like Pakistan, it's known that they typically review the file beforehand and presumably form an opinion first.

The interview may or may not just be a formality, depending on the specific case.  I've seen interviews tank an otherwise good case, and I've seen interviews that were so informal that I don't know what the person could have done to change the decision to approve. Specifics always matter.

 

Frontloading does not mean to go overboard, though - nobody is going to read 500 pages of chats. Quality >> quantity. Always present the best case you can, not just the one with the most documents.

[visafrompa 9]

8 minutes ago, geowrian said:

I've never seen a serious remark of an entire continent being considered high fraud...just specific countries.

As for which countries in particular would be considered "high fraud", it's pretty much a collection of knowledge developed over time. Some involve higher levels of scrutiny than others.

 

Frontloading is something best addressed based upon the specific country involved. For instance, with Manila, there's no point IMO since the CO doesn't even know who they will have until you show up at their window. They have no time to review the packet beforehand. Whereas with a country like Pakistan, it's known that they typically review the file beforehand and presumably form an opinion first.

The interview may or may not just be a formality, depending on the specific case.  I've seen interviews tank an otherwise good case, and I've seen interviews that were so informal that I don't know what the person could have done to change the decision to approve. Specifics always matter.

 

Frontloading does not mean to go overboard, though - nobody is going to read 500 pages of chats. Quality >> quantity. Always present the best case you can, not just the one with the most documents.

 

Continents?  I'm not sure what you mean.  I specifically listed countries.  And 'collection of knowledge' is not accurate compared to what I found in AN ACTUAL GAO REPORT OF HIGH FRAUD COUNTRIES.   If you look up k1 visa approval stats, there are quite a few countries with a significant amount of visa denials, but that doesn't imply fraud.  Again, I've read many GAO reports and the countries with the HIGHEST DOCUMENTED CASES OF FRAUD where (in no specific order)

 

China

Mexico

Brazil

Columbia

Ghana

India

Ukraine

 

Nothing new I'm sure.  All countries have a 'fraud level' assigned, but the ones above are in the 10-20%+ fraud range.

 

We agree that nobody will read those chat logs.. but yet people still send in reems of dead trees.  One posted even put them in plastic covers.  I'm sure the USCIS clerk LOVED that.  HE VISAJOURNEY PEOPLE:  STOP YER NONSENSE.  DO WHAT USCIS ASKS.

 

And I also agree that some IO's probably get up one day and say 'today's the day NO ONE gets a visa!'  But I will give them the benefit of the doubt and put the blame for a visa denial on the paperwork, not the IO.  

 

 

 

 

[Boiler 45,486]

31 minutes ago, visafrompa said:

 

Continents?  I'm not sure what you mean.  I specifically listed countries.  And 'collection of knowledge' is not accurate compared to what I found in AN ACTUAL GAO REPORT OF HIGH FRAUD COUNTRIES.   If you look up k1 visa approval stats, there are quite a few countries with a significant amount of visa denials, but that doesn't imply fraud.  Again, I've read many GAO reports and the countries with the HIGHEST DOCUMENTED CASES OF FRAUD where (in no specific order)

 

China

Mexico

Brazil

Columbia

Ghana

India

Ukraine

 

Nothing new I'm sure.  All countries have a 'fraud level' assigned, but the ones above are in the 10-20%+ fraud range.

 

We agree that nobody will read those chat logs.. but yet people still send in reems of dead trees.  One posted even put them in plastic covers.  I'm sure the USCIS clerk LOVED that.  HE VISAJOURNEY PEOPLE:  STOP YER NONSENSE.  DO WHAT USCIS ASKS.

 

And I also agree that some IO's probably get up one day and say 'today's the day NO ONE gets a visa!'  But I will give them the benefit of the doubt and put the blame for a visa denial on the paperwork, not the IO.  

Ghana is the only one of those which I would put in the High Fraud category.

 

Used to be :

 

1. Low Fraud

2. Medium Fraud

3. High Fraud

4. Lagos.

[Pharoe40 15]

On 7/24/2019 at 6:03 PM, Reconnecting Reco said:

Her interview was today and she was unfortunately denied. The reason she was given was the interviewer didn't believe in the relationship but didn't ask to see any of the proof she brought with her. She was issued a 221g but it doesn't say anything about whag documents she needs. I did get a email saying it will be sent back to USCIS where it will be expired. I'm confused on what the next move should be.

Has there been any update on your case? If the interviewer says he/she doesn’t believe in the relationship I wonder what made them come to the conclusion yet not ask to see additional proof of an on going relationship. Did your fiancé share what was asked? Did you front load your packet? Any RFE prior to an NOA2? 

[Reconnecting Reco 24]

On 8/4/2019 at 3:36 PM, Pharoe40 said:

Has there been any update on your case? If the interviewer says he/she doesn’t believe in the relationship I wonder what made them come to the conclusion yet not ask to see additional proof of an on going relationship. Did your fiancé share what was asked? Did you front load your packet? Any RFE prior to an NOA2? 

Nope to everything. They didn't ask for any proof or anything. I honestly think they were going to deny long before the interview took place. Because it's the easiest was for fraudsters to get in they deny the other 99% of people who generally try to get in. This was a major waste of time and honestly a scam to get money out of desperate good people.

[jeanieCZ 228]

2 hours ago, Reconnecting Reco said:

Nope to everything. They didn't ask for any proof or anything. I honestly think they were going to deny long before the interview took place. Because it's the easiest was for fraudsters to get in they deny the other 99% of people who generally try to get in. This was a major waste of time and honestly a scam to get money out of desperate good people.

I'm sorry to hear your fiancee was denied, it's terrible! I hope you'll be able to figure out what the reason for denial was and what you can do about it. 

 

Your timeline says you did receive a RFE in April?