Trump Admin Gives ICE Expedited Removal Authority

[carmel34 3,621]

Things are really starting to heat up for illegals...

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-deportation/u-s-to-expand-rapid-deportation-nationwide-with-sweeping-new-rule-idUSKCN1UH275

 

[Crazy Cat 41,834]

10 minutes ago, carmel34 said:

Things are really starting to heat up for illegals...

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-deportation/u-s-to-expand-rapid-deportation-nationwide-with-sweeping-new-rule-idUSKCN1UH275

 

 

 

"The rule set to be published in the Federal Register on Tuesday would apply “expedited removal” to any illegal crossers who cannot prove to immigration agents that they have been living in the country for two years."

Edited July 22, 2019 by missileman

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Good. So now he is treating the rest of the country like the border regions, which means it is easier for deportation 

[nativeson 47]

Seems like Trump finally figured out his all-talk-no-walk immigration policy wasn’t going to fly with his base in the election next year.

[Dashinka 24,487]

13 hours ago, nativeson said:

Seems like Trump finally figured out his all-talk-no-walk immigration policy wasn’t going to fly with his base in the election next year.

I agree.  Two years of nothing and he did not help himself with the whole Mexico will pay for it theme.

 

As to the OP article, I thought this was interesting.  If ICE is detaining naturalized USCs, wouldn't they have already been stripped of that citizenship by an IJ?

 

" “ICE has been detaining and deporting U.S. citizens for decades,” said Jackie Stevens, a political science professor at Northwestern University. That policy came at a great cost to U.S. taxpayers in terms of litigation and compensation, she added."

[Crazy Cat 41,834]

2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I agree.  Two years of nothing and he did not help himself with the whole Mexico will pay for it theme.

 

As to the OP article, I thought this was interesting.  If ICE is detaining naturalized USCs, wouldn't they have already been stripped of that citizenship by an IJ?

 

" “ICE has been detaining and deporting U.S. citizens for decades,” said Jackie Stevens, a political science professor at Northwestern University. That policy came at a great cost to U.S. taxpayers in terms of litigation and compensation, she added."

1.  It isn't Trump's fault.  He was elected to build the wall....We currently have a "do nothing Congress"......and we have had a "do nothing Congress for years"......THAT is the problem.........

2. Yes,  I would think any "citizen" who is deported has been stripped of that citizenship by an IJ before being deported.

 

[arken 4,197]

Just wondering where would ICE deport US Citizens (after stripping off their US citizenship) if they are no longer the citizens of any other country.

 

I am a law abiding USC 😜, the moment i became the USC, I am no longer the citizen of Nepal where I am originally from. If I were to be deported even by mistake, where would they deport me 🤔?

[Dashinka 24,487]

7 minutes ago, arken said:

Just wondering where would ICE deport US Citizens (after stripping off their US citizenship) if they are no longer the citizens of any other country.

 

I am a law abiding USC 😜, the moment i became the USC, I am no longer the citizen of Nepal where I am originally from. If I were to be deported even by mistake, where would they deport me 🤔?

I believe for denaturalization, if a case is brought for something like illegal procurement of naturalization (maybe someone using a false identity, etc.) or material misrepresentation leading to naturalization, then the naturalization oath would be considered void or never to have happened, so you would revert to your previous nationality.  My understanding is that this process is rare, but possibly being ramped up a bit.

[geowrian 22,337]

1 hour ago, missileman said:

Yes,  I would think any "citizen" who is deported has been stripped of that citizenship by an IJ before being deported.

Mistakes have happened. The concern I have with this policy change is that mistakes will happen more often.

ICE isn't exactly known for precision - they do their assigned job then let the courts figure out the details. Without a court to catch mistakes, the risk of mistaken and improper removals can only go up.

 

It's like letting the police determine guilt of traffic violations. Yeah, most of the time they're right and it would improve court load, but bypassing due process is pretty serious and only makes sense in limited circumstances.

I'm holding judgement until I can read the actual rule. If there are reasonable protections in place to limit the scope to avoid mistakes, I'm cool with it. If the only limit is 2 years of presence (which ICE gets to determine if you proved it or not), then I think it's gone too far - and likely will be struck down for subverting the court's duty.

As always, detaiIs matter.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, arken said:

Just wondering where would ICE deport US Citizens (after stripping off their US citizenship) if they are no longer the citizens of any other country.

 

I am a law abiding USC 😜, the moment i became the USC, I am no longer the citizen of Nepal where I am originally from. If I were to be deported even by mistake, where would they deport me 🤔?

 

2 hours ago, missileman said:

1.  It isn't Trump's fault.  He was elected to build the wall....We currently have a "do nothing Congress"......and we have had a "do nothing Congress for years"......THAT is the problem.........

2. Yes,  I would think any "citizen" who is deported has been stripped of that citizenship by an IJ before being deported.

 

 

2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

I agree.  Two years of nothing and he did not help himself with the whole Mexico will pay for it theme.

 

As to the OP article, I thought this was interesting.  If ICE is detaining naturalized USCs, wouldn't they have already been stripped of that citizenship by an IJ?

 

" “ICE has been detaining and deporting U.S. citizens for decades,” said Jackie Stevens, a political science professor at Northwestern University. That policy came at a great cost to U.S. taxpayers in terms of litigation and compensation, she added."

They may not be talking about USCs in general but illegal immigrants. I have seen this lately where some people, outlets, and even democrat politicians using the word American's to describe illegal immigrants. 

[Crazy Cat 41,834]

5 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 

 

They may not be talking about USCs in general but illegal immigrants. I have seen this lately where some people, outlets, and even democrat politicians using the word American's to describe illegal immigrants. 

You could be right.....sounds like the kind of spin some groups have used.....

[geowrian 22,337]

I think the use of the term "US Citizen" is pretty clear here. There's other misnomers some groups put out ("future citizens", "potential citizens", etc.), but I wouldn't assume something beyond actual USC was meant unless evidenced otherwise.

[Dashinka 24,487]

36 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 

 

They may not be talking about USCs in general but illegal immigrants. I have seen this lately where some people, outlets, and even democrat politicians using the word American's to describe illegal immigrants. 

I imagine they would attempt to use that propaganda, but in the very next line it says the following:  "U.S. citizens account for about 1% percent of those detained by ICE and about 0.5% of those deported, according to Stevens’ research."  Still not sure if ICE can detain anyone that has not already been stripped of their citizenship.

[Ben & Katy 168]

A lot of US Citizens that are falling into this predicament are minorities.  I have seen quite a few african americans detained and mistaken as illegal or legal immigrants that broke the law and end up in deportation by mistake to Jamaica or anywhere else in the Carribean.  A lot of them don't have a passport or a birth certificate on them to help their case while in an American prison. 

[fip & jim 452]

31 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I imagine they would attempt to use that propaganda, but in the very next line it says the following:  "U.S. citizens account for about 1% percent of those detained by ICE and about 0.5% of those deported, according to Stevens’ research."  Still not sure if ICE can detain anyone that has not already been stripped of their citizenship.

They can if they make a mistake. DHS has inadequate electronic systems for the challenges they are facing. Mistakes will be made.