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2 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Yeah there's a funny and kind of surreal page on whitehouse.gov that lists all of his accomplishments.

 

  To his credit, he's done well on things he can accomplish unilaterally. With his background, that is not a surprise. It was one of his strengths. The flip side however, is on things that he needs congressional support, it has been dismal. With both chambers of congress under republican control for 2 years, the lack of accomplishments speak volumes. I also don't think Trump has any political capital to speak of. I mean it's a common kool-aid line to blame the media, the liberal judges, the activists and all the people he has fired and what have you, but the bottom line is people can't work with him and can't get along with him for a reason.   

 

  

I do remember a nice corporate tax cut.  But to be fair, I believe for a time in the 111th Congress, the Dems had the House and a veto proof Senate with the two Independents that caucus with the Dems.  I think he did get Obamacare, but not much else.

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I'm not sure what the relevance of the above video is?  It's well-known that Omar immigrated.  If you meant where she said "my country...the country were I came from"...wouldn't it make sense she said that since she did immigrate from another country?  I don't refer to the US as "my country" either---I wasn't born here.

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9 minutes ago, Going through said:

I'm not sure what the relevance of the above video is?  It's well-known that Omar immigrated.  If you meant where she said "my country...the country were I came from"...wouldn't it make sense she said that since she did immigrate from another country?  I don't refer to the US as "my country" either---I wasn't born here.

I posted it to show that in spite of the claim by many on the left that she is American, she isn’t really. (In fact, it seems she has only received support on “being American” since Trump made his less-than-classy tweet).  In my opinion, if one is going to run for and execute a political office, then one should feel in their heart that America is THEIR country.  Don’t really see how someone who identifies another country as “their country” or “my country” can carry out their duties here with “true faith and allegiance to the same”.

 

And no, one does not have to be born in a country to identify their allegiance in that country, or to call themselves a member of said country.  My spouse was not born here, yet is proud to identify as American. “I was born in XYZ (insert country), but I am an American now” is something I have heard spoken by several who are proud to have become American citizens.

But, to each their own.  Some refuse to give up allegiance to their home countries, and that is perfectly fine.  I find this to be true most often when one immigrates here from a country that will not allow dual citizenship.  Often there is a need to maintain ties to their country of birth (often familial). But even those, who decide not to become a USC, identify themselves as American.

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That's interesting---and I can see the points you are making.

 

I usually tell people (who ask) that "I was born and raised in Canada, but I live in America."  If pressed further, I'll explain that I'm a dual-citizen.  The only time I'll outright say "I'm an American" is at the border coming back in, for obvious reasons.  

 

Disclaimer:  This doesn't mean that I hate America, or living in American, or anything like that.

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9 minutes ago, Going through said:

That's interesting---and I can see the points you are making.

 

I usually tell people (who ask) that "I was born and raised in Canada, but I live in America."  If pressed further, I'll explain that I'm a dual-citizen.  The only time I'll outright say "I'm an American" is at the border coming back in, for obvious reasons.  

 

Disclaimer:  This doesn't mean that I hate America, or living in American, or anything like that.

I hear you.  And I am not saying that she hates America because of the video above.  Just because one immigrates does not mean that one must give up all ties nor allegiance to their home country.  If I ever immigrated to another country, I would still identify as American, just as you do Canadian (eh?).  I can’t really see myself ever taking that country’s citizenship (at this point in my life).  But that’s just me.  The only reason I could see ever changing my mind on that is if I felt a need to vote in my second country.  

ETA: I also don’t think that we can be “loyal” to two different countries as immigrants.  But as a person on a position of power in government, I think there should be a higher standard of loyalty.  To me, someone who comes here from a place which is so anti-American, or with views and practices counter to ours, should really have to PROVE their allegiance to America.  Tough road to drive on...

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1 minute ago, ALFKAD said:

I hear you.  And I am not saying that she hates America because of the video above.  Just because one immigrates does not mean that one must give up all ties nor allegiance to their home country.  If I ever immigrated to another country, I would still identify as American, just as you do Canadian (eh?).  I can’t really see myself ever taking that country’s citizenship (at this point in my life).  But that’s just me.  The only reason I could see ever changing my mind on that is if I felt a need to vote in my second country.  

I did immigrate and would never call myself an American, for a start it would be cultural appropriation.

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9 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

I hear you.  And I am not saying that she hates America because of the video above.  Just because one immigrates does not mean that one must give up all ties nor allegiance to their home country.  If I ever immigrated to another country, I would still identify as American, just as you do Canadian (eh?).  I can’t really see myself ever taking that country’s citizenship (at this point in my life).  But that’s just me.  The only reason I could see ever changing my mind on that is if I felt a need to vote in my second country.  

I'll  be honest,  I had no intentions of ever becoming a USC.  My original intention was to live out my days as a LPR.  It's only after his election that I thought I'd better make sure my status in this country was secured after that whole fiasco in the beginning where GC holders were being denied entry/boarding planes.  I'm not saying that was entirely his fault---just the way that executive order was rolled out in the beginning.  But it was enough to make me pause for thought and think about what may happen in the future with GC holders and any immigration-reform ideas he may have about LPRs later on (ie. introducing new restrictions for LPRs, etc.)

Plus at that time, the price between the i-90 and the N400 were pretty comparable.  Other than that, I was planning on just renewing my 10-year GC again.

 

So perhaps that's one reason I don't identify myself as "American"----I wasn't doing it solely for patriotic reasons.  It wasn't a dream of mine to become an American.  It was more of a "well, it's smarter TO do it" at that time.

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1 minute ago, Going through said:

I'll  be honest,  I had no intentions of ever becoming a USC.  My original intention was to live out my days as a LPR.  It's only after his election that I thought I'd better make sure my status in this country was secured after that whole fiasco in the beginning where GC holders were being denied entry/boarding planes.  I'm not saying that was entirely his fault---just the way that executive order was rolled out in the beginning.  But it was enough to make me pause for thought.

Plus at that time, the price between the i-90 and the N400 were pretty comparable.  Other than that, I was planning on just renewing my 10-year GC again.

Yes, I can see how it would give one pause.  These are uncertain times for any foreigner who is visiting or wishing to live here.  But really, I don’t see much changing in the next 10 years.  I think the laws we have in place are sufficient, they just need to be followed.  Especially the ones that punish employers for hiring illegals.  If the legal immigration process were to be streamlined, and more clear, that would be a big boon for everyone.

I have friends who also have no intention of becoming a USC.  My wife did so mostly because her home country of the Philippines has far more travel restrictions than the US does.  And she doesn’t plan on going back if we split up or I pass away before her.  She wants to stay here.  But each individual must make that decision for themselves, and I always told my wife that I supported her decision whether it was to remain a LPR/GC or go the USC route.  She still loves her birth country, but if you talked to her for 5 minutes, you’d quickly see she is proud to call herself American. She fondly refers to her swearing in ceremony as her “second birthday”.

From a pragmatic POV, I don’t really see why any Canadian citizen would obtain USC status.  (Unless they hated Canada or were trying to escape the law maybe?).  I haven’t talked to anyone from up there who really wanted it, or who proclaimed any particular benefits from becoming a USC.  Crossing that border is just too simple, with either citizenship.

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10 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I did immigrate and would never call myself an American, for a start it would be cultural appropriation.

Well, that’s because you’re British, and still hate America.   

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1 minute ago, ALFKAD said:

Well, that’s because you’re British, and still hate America.  :ROFL: 

You got it.

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2 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

She still loves her birth country, but if you talked to her for 5 minutes, you’d quickly see she is proud to call herself American. She fondly refers to her swearing in ceremony as her “second birthday”.

Awww...that's sweet---made me smile reading that  

 

2 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

From a pragmatic POV, I don’t really see why any Canadian citizen would obtain USC status.  (Unless they hated Canada or were trying to escape the law maybe?).  I haven’t talked to anyone from up there who really wanted it, or who proclaimed any particular benefits from becoming a USC.  Crossing that border is just too simple, with either citizenship.

Yeah at my N400 interview the IO asked for my passport, looked at the cover and said "Oh, you're Canadian.  We don't get a lot of those."  I think Canadians want the one benefit becoming a USC gives them----being able to have guaranteed entry into the US.  Even though my Canada passport is strong...it's nice to have another strong passport under my belt with the US one.  Other than that---and I also explained this during my interview---I don't believe there's much more benefit...we share basically the same economy, the same lifestyle, the same educational system (well, personally I think Canada's system is superior, but that's just my opinion having been a student in Canada and a Teaching Paraprofessional in America lol).  It's not like I came to America for "a better life". (I literally said those words to the IO as well when we were talking about the differences between the US and Canada)

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9 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Well, that’s because you’re British, and still hate America.   

If it makes you feel any better (or worse, depending on how you look at it)...plenty of Canadians still hate America too  

Maybe it's cause we're part of the Commonwealth lol

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11 minutes ago, Going through said:

If it makes you feel any better (or worse, depending on how you look at it)...plenty of Canadians still hate America too  

Maybe it's cause we're part of the Commonwealth lol

Infidel!!  Go home!

 

God Save The Queen...

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1 hour ago, Boiler said:

You got it.

Welcome to the Colonies.