Calling each other husband and wife in whatsapp chats

[SalishSea 18,237]

8 minutes ago, TastyCake said:

Some people here are saying there are those who have been denied a K-1 in the past for the 'husbandy' and 'wifey' references.  I am not saying this isn't true but are there posts somewhere on this site where the petitioner and beneficiary have confirmed this?  If so, how about a link or two?

 

There are many.  Can be found by searching.  Was just one this week titled "K-1 Denial" by @Abcd1234 I believe.  They ended up marrying and are now doing a CR-1.

 

 

Edited June 25, 2019 by Jorgedig

[TastyCake 232]

5 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

There are many.  Can be found by searching.  Was just one this week titled "K-1 Denial" by @Abcd1234 I believe.  They ended up marrying and are now doing a CR-1.

 

 

Yeah, I just read it.  But I don't see where the reason is because of a 'husband' or 'wife' reference in the material submitted to the embassy.

 

What I asked for were specific examples of K-1 denials where the reason was because of references to 'husband' and 'wife' in the material submitted for the interview (ex:  chats).

 

I doubt there are 'many' for this reason and, from the information I have been able to gather, most K-1s are not denied.

 

[junkmart 320]

4 hours ago, Adi49 said:

Even in the US you propose with a ring if you want to get married.

We didn't. We didn't even exchange rings at the wedding ceremony. We bought them a few weeks later.

[SalishSea 18,237]

6 minutes ago, TastyCake said:

Yeah, I just read it.  But I don't see where the reason is because of a 'husband' or 'wife' reference in the material submitted to the embassy.

 

What I asked for were specific examples of K-1 denials where the reason was because of references to 'husband' and 'wife' in the material submitted for the interview (ex:  chats).

 

I doubt there are 'many' for this reason and, from the information I have been able to gather, most K-1s are not denied.

 

Spend some time reading the India and S. Asia (Pakistan) forums and you will see that K-1 approvals in those countries are far more difficult to come by, and it is often due to cultural practices that make a couple seem "married."  Plus, the history of fraudulent K-1s by married people through those consulates.

[Daphne . 1,957]

8 minutes ago, TastyCake said:

Yeah, I just read it.  But I don't see where the reason is because of a 'husband' or 'wife' reference in the material submitted to the embassy.

 

What I asked for were specific examples of K-1 denials where the reason was because of references to 'husband' and 'wife' in the material submitted for the interview (ex:  chats).

 

I doubt there are 'many' for this reason and, from the information I have been able to gather, most K-1s are not denied.

 

It would fall under the category of looking ‘too married’. This was also mentioned at the start of this thread. In your case, the referring to each other as husband and wifey (😳) could fall into that category, where in somebody else’s case the engagement party could have been considered ‘too married’ for a K1

[Jeanne Adil 1,651]

39 minutes ago, TastyCake said:

Ok, let's take a step back for a moment.

 

My take on this is none of us are COs.  There are a number of things to consider such as the level of 'potential' fraud for the country in question, strictness of the embassy, etc.  You also have to consider the amount of time available for the CO to even look through every 'front-loaded' page.  There's a lot of stuff that can be front-loaded and many things they may just thumb through.  Photos, I-134 (and accompanying documents), they may just be looking at some things in a basic sense and checking things off on a sheet (or in their head).

 

I've read a number of consulate reviews that included statements like, 'They barely even looked at our documents'.  Because it's front-loaded you think COs are having lunch in between interviews perusing every letter of documentation for future interviews days/weeks/months in advance?  Thumbing through 50 pages of chat (in smaller print, it might as well be 500) just dying to find words like 'husbandy' or 'wifey'?  Possible?  Sure.  Probable?  That I'm not so sure about.  I have to think it isn't uncommon for people to refer to each other this way in a very affectionate sense, especially with a marriage on the horizon.

 

I can't speak about ceremonies like ring exchanges but, if this is done even semi-regularly in India and such a ceremony is NOT deemed a marriage ceremony, I have to think the local embassy is familiar with such a custom.  Many people here are already declaring a K-1 denial for this guy yet they may not even know the first <honking> thing about India and might even be challenged to find it on a globe.

 

Some people here are saying there are those who have been denied a K-1 in the past for the 'husbandy' and 'wifey' references.  I am not saying this isn't true but are there posts somewhere on this site where the petitioner and beneficiary have confirmed this?  If so, how about a link or two?

 

My advice is to get your facts straight and don't be biting your nails and LOOKING like you have something to hide at the interview.  Prepare an explanation.  Sometimes this can be explained away (assuming it even comes up).  Ideally you don't want anything like this to slip through the cracks so try preventative desk-checking.order of business is to prepare for the interview and be ready IF this comes up in the conversation.

 

Co's review the packets before the interview

[TastyCake 232]

4 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Spend some time reading the India and S. Asia (Pakistan) forums and you will see that K-1 approvals in those countries are far more difficult to come by, and it is often due to cultural practices that make a couple seem "married."  Plus, the history of fraudulent K-1s by married people through those consulates.

I don't doubt certain countries are tougher than others.  You're not getting the point of my first post.  'Seem' married and 'too' married could be because of other reasons and perfectly justifiable ones.  Maybe in those other cases there was specific evidence the embassy uncovered.  Maybe the people in question really were married and did their darndest to hide it.  If it's such a high fraud country then it stands to reason you could have people who come on here and say, 'Aw shucks, we are not married but the embassy denied us' but it was perfectly legit to deny them.

 

And that may even apply to Adi49.  We don't know.  Could be a lying SOB or could be a very honest person and they are not married yet.  What we don't know is the outcome of their interview in advance.  We have one too many self-ordained geniuses on this website who think they know everything because they hang around here like curtains.  What I don't like is when people speak in absolutes.  What made them sages?  Do they read tea leaves, tarot cards?  Or are they just a gift from God to us mere mortals?

 

Let's see what Adi49 comes back with after the interview... assuming this individual is willing to share what happened.

[TastyCake 232]

3 minutes ago, adil-rafa said:

Co's review the packets before the interview

Of course COs review the packets.  It's their job.  This is news?  We just don't know how closely.  We don't know if they look at every letter.  We don't know if Adi49 is in trouble or if there is nothing to worry about at the end of the day.

 

It's dinner time.  Maybe people should eat before responding.  Or take a remedial English class.

 

[Unidentified 2,930]

55 minutes ago, TastyCake said:

Ok, let's take a step back for a moment.

 

My take on this is none of us are COs.  There are a number of things to consider such as the level of 'potential' fraud for the country in question, strictness of the embassy, etc.  You also have to consider the amount of time available for the CO to even look through every 'front-loaded' page.  There's a lot of stuff that can be front-loaded and many things they may just thumb through.  Photos, I-134 (and accompanying documents), they may just be looking at some things in a basic sense and checking things off on a sheet (or in their head).

 

I've read a number of consulate reviews that included statements like, 'They barely even looked at our documents'.  Because it's front-loaded you think COs are having lunch in between interviews perusing every letter of documentation for future interviews days/weeks/months in advance?  Thumbing through 50 pages of chat (in smaller print, it might as well be 500) just dying to find words like 'husbandy' or 'wifey'?  Possible?  Sure.  Probable?  That I'm not so sure about.  I have to think it isn't uncommon for people to refer to each other this way in a very affectionate sense, especially with a marriage on the horizon.

 

I can't speak about ceremonies like ring exchanges but, if this is done even semi-regularly in India and such a ceremony is NOT deemed a marriage ceremony, I have to think the local embassy is familiar with such a custom.  Many people here are already declaring a K-1 denial for this guy yet they may not even know the first <honking> thing about India and might even be challenged to find it on a globe.

 

Some people here are saying there are those who have been denied a K-1 in the past for the 'husbandy' and 'wifey' references.  I am not saying this isn't true but are there posts somewhere on this site where the petitioner and beneficiary have confirmed this?  If so, how about a link or two?

 

My advice is to get your facts straight and don't be biting your nails and LOOKING like you have something to hide at the interview.  Prepare an explanation.  Sometimes this can be explained away (assuming it even comes up).  Ideally you don't want anything like this to slip through the cracks so try preventative desk-checking.  But it happened so plan for a little damage control.  If the bottom drops out and you're denied, start the spousal process but the first order of business is to prepare for the interview and be ready IF this comes up in the conversation.

 

Many people have been here for years and we wouldn't mention that hubby/wifey is an issue unless we've seen it happen before and trust me, we have. The CO will look through stuff prior to, or even during the interview. My interviewer was looking through our pictures as we were talking. We're not saying this is a flat out denial situation, but that this is something to be prepared about if it were to be an issue in OP's case. 

[Unidentified 2,930]

25 minutes ago, TastyCake said:

I don't doubt certain countries are tougher than others.  You're not getting the point of my first post.  'Seem' married and 'too' married could be because of other reasons and perfectly justifiable ones.  Maybe in those other cases there was specific evidence the embassy uncovered.  Maybe the people in question really were married and did their darndest to hide it.  If it's such a high fraud country then it stands to reason you could have people who come on here and say, 'Aw shucks, we are not married but the embassy denied us' but it was perfectly legit to deny them.

 

And that may even apply to Adi49.  We don't know.  Could be a lying SOB or could be a very honest person and they are not married yet.  What we don't know is the outcome of their interview in advance.  We have one too many self-ordained geniuses on this website who think they know everything because they hang around here like curtains.  What I don't like is when people speak in absolutes.  What made them sages?  Do they read tea leaves, tarot cards?  Or are they just a gift from God to us mere mortals?

 

Let's see what Adi49 comes back with after the interview... assuming this individual is willing to share what happened.

Because they have been here for years going through the visa procedures themselves. You have been here two months... No one is saying it is a straight up denial, we are saying (based on previous experience) that it is something that could happen. 

[TastyCake 232]

Just now, Unidentified said:

Because they have been here for years going through the visa procedures themselves. You have been here two months... No one is saying it is a straight up denial, we are saying (based on previous experience) that it is something that could happen. 

And???  I never came across as a genius.  Re-read all my posts here.  I only say let this guy go through the process and people should stop speaking in absolutes.  There are many things to consider here.  This couple may sail through the interview but you have people shoving the spousal process in their face already.

 

There are many visas and many countries.  Even Greenbaum would admit he doesn't know it all.  There are some people opining in this thread with not a whole lot of experience.  I've been in the visa game for over a year but only a VJ member recently.  But you won't catch me speaking like others in this thread.

 

You've seen it happen before?  Trust you?  I am still waiting on even one link in which a petitioner/beneficiary has specifically cited the husband/wife reference being a direct cause of a K-1 denial.  That was what I asked.  No one has delivered yet.  It would be refreshing if someone could direct us to a precedent that would make this couple be concerned.

 

I have seen multiple people here predicting a denial. 

 

  

[Unidentified 2,930]

6 minutes ago, TastyCake said:

And???  I never came across as a genius.  Re-read all my posts here.  I only say let this guy go through the process and people should stop speaking in absolutes.  There are many things to consider here.  This couple may sail through the interview but you have people shoving the spousal process in their face already.

 

There are many visas and many countries.  Even Greenbaum would admit he doesn't know it all.  There are some people opining in this thread with not a whole lot of experience.  I've been in the visa game for over a year but only a VJ member recently.  But you won't catch me speaking like others in this thread.

 

You've seen it happen before?  Trust you?  I am still waiting on even one link in which a petitioner/beneficiary has specifically cited the husband/wife reference being a direct cause of a K-1 denial.  That was what I asked.  No one has delivered yet.  It would be refreshing if someone could direct us to a precedent that would make this couple be concerned.

 

I have seen multiple people here predicting a denial. 

 

  

 

Denial due to pictures of rings and calling each other hubby/wifey. 

Edited June 25, 2019 by Unidentified

[debbiedoo 2,339]

8 hours ago, Adi49 said:

Our photos are really good actually. We did a simple ring exchange in traditional but not formal clothing.

you might just want to start looking into what a CR1 entails.

[TastyCake 232]

9 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

 

Denial due to pictures of rings and calling each other hubby/wifey. 

Ok, thanks for the link.  It's the only one I have seen and it dates back a bit.  There is a precedent though this was a different country.  Maybe the CO was strict.  Maybe they'll be strict in Mumbai.  But it's not a guarantee this couple will get denied.  Let's see what they say after the interview.

 

 

Edited June 25, 2019 by TastyCake

[TastyCake 232]

9 minutes ago, debbiedoo said:

you might just want to start looking into what a CR1 entails.

DebbieDoo.... not so fast.