Please Help - Police Certificate From China (merged threads)

[Greg Mc 6]

Hello all,

 

Any advice / help would be really appreciated. I attended my embassy interview today and my application approval was put on hold pending a police certificate from China. I am not a Chinese citizen, however I worked in China for 2 and a half years. Before leaving China, I tried everything to obtain this document over a number of weeks including several visits to several different police stations / notary offices knowing how difficult it would be to obtain outside of China. It's hard to explain for people who have never lived there or in a similar country with a similar state bureaucracy but basically they gave me the "run-around" for a week before telling me that they couldn't provide me with one because I had entered China less than 6 months ago. Yes I replied, but I have had 3 work visa issued and have lived here prior to my latest entry. Have they no record for that? A lot of face saving and shoulder shrugging ensued....

 

I had my employer sign and stamp a letter to explain our efforts to obtain this police certificate and how it wasn't possible, probably owing to the fact that out of a town of 10 million or so, there might have only been about 5 foreigners and as such, local police are not too fussed to help out or follow the law as provided....I also phoned USCIS and was told it would be up to the consular officer to decide.

 

To my dismay today my application wasn't approved for this reason and they would not consider the letter from my employer or my description of my efforts. The otherwise perfectly nice case officer gave me a print off from US state.gov detailing how to apply for a Chinese Police Cert. These instructions basically tell you to contact your local notary office in China where you lived. The same notary office that would not help me in person with a Chinese translator is unfortunately unlikely to field a phone call in mediocre Chinese from Ireland regarding the matter....

 

Tomorrow I am going to visit the Chinese embassy here in Dublin to seek advice but having read many accounts online of Chinese embassies telling people "sorry, this is a police matter and we cannot help you" is going to be the response. 

 

Only two options visible to me are: 1) Fly back to China and battle the local authorities again, with the chance of getting nothing again. 2) Some agencies online advertise services to obtain this certificate costing 700-1000 USD. 

Both options are expensive and time consuming at the end of an expensive and time consuming visa process that has put a serious strain on our lives and relationship....don't need to tell you all that...

 

Can anyone please help me? Thank you.

Edited June 18, 2019 by Greg Mc

[payxibka 10,045]

7 minutes ago, Greg Mc said:

Hello all,

 

Any advice / help would be really appreciated. I attended my embassy interview today and my application approval was put on hold pending a police certificate from China. I am not a Chinese citizen, however I worked in China for 2 and a half years. Before leaving China, I tried everything to obtain this document over a number of weeks including several visits to several different police stations / notary offices knowing how difficult it would be to obtain outside of China. It's hard to explain for people who have never lived there or in a similar country with a similar state bureaucracy but basically they gave me the "run-around" for a week before telling me that they couldn't provide me with one because I had entered China less than 6 months ago. Yes I replied, but I have had 3 work visa issued and have lived here prior to my latest entry. Have they no record for that? A lot of face saving and shoulder shrugging ensued....

 

I had my employer sign and stamp a letter to explain our efforts to obtain this police certificate and how it wasn't possible, probably owing to the fact that out of a town of 10 million or so, there might have only been about 5 foreigners and as such, local police are not too fussed to help out or follow the law as provided....I also phoned USCIS and was told it would be up to the consular officer to decide.

 

To my dismay today my application wasn't approved for this reason and they would not consider the letter from my employer or my description of my efforts. The otherwise perfectly nice case officer gave me a print off from US state.gov detailing how to apply for a Chinese Police Cert. These instructions basically tell you to contact your local notary office in China where you lived. The same notary office that would not help me in person with a Chinese translator is unfortunately unlikely to field a phone call in mediocre Chinese from Ireland regarding the matter....

 

Tomorrow I am going to visit the Chinese embassy here in Dublin to seek advice but having read many accounts online of Chinese embassies telling people "sorry, this is a police matter and we cannot help you" is going to be the response. 

 

Only two options visible to me are: 1) Fly back to China and battle the local authorities again, with the chance of getting nothing again. 2) Some agencies online advertise services to obtain this certificate costing 700-1000 USD. 

Both options are expensive and time consuming at the end of an expensive and time consuming visa process that has put a serious strain on our lives and relationship....don't need to tell you all that...

 

Can anyone please help me? Thank you.

Your not the first to be in this situation.   There was a recent thread on this same topic.   You might be best served searching for it.  It might be in this forum or maybe moved to the regional forum for China 

[Ben&Zian 4,398]

This is like 3rd one in last week about Chinese police reports. Others are same as you, stuck until they can provide the report

[USS_Voyager 1,972]

15 minutes ago, Greg Mc said:

It's hard to explain for people who have never lived there or in a similar country with a similar state bureaucracy but basically they gave me the "run-around" for a week before telling me that they couldn't provide me with one because I had entered China less than 6 months ago.

Well, this is where "coffee money" comes into handy. You couldn've slipped that guy $50 or something and you will have a nice certificate printed off in 1/2 hour...

Edited June 18, 2019 by USS_Voyager

[Greg Mc 6]

9 minutes ago, payxibka said:

Your not the first to be in this situation.   There was a recent thread on this same topic.   You might be best served searching for it.  It might be in this forum or maybe moved to the regional forum for China 

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I have searched for this topic and read some threads of people in similar predicaments but haven't found anything beyond flying back or paying an extortionate fee with no guarantee of success...

[payxibka 10,045]

Just now, Greg Mc said:

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I have searched for this topic and read some threads of people in similar predicaments but haven't found anything beyond flying back or paying an extortionate fee with no guarantee of success...

Unfortunately,  that is my understanding of the solution as well

[Greg Mc 6]

8 minutes ago, USS_Voyager said:

Well, this is where "coffee money" comes into handy. You couldn've slipped that guy $50 or something and you will have a nice certificate printed off in 1/2 hour...

Ha...unfortunately China combines mind-numbing bureaucracy with generally (by the region's standards) non-corrupt workers...so that option sadly didn't exist either... 

[Ontarkie 14,221]

~~Moved to the Regional Forum, from K1 P&P - The OP is trying to obtain a PC from China~~

~~Duplicate thread removed.~~

Edited June 18, 2019 by Ontarkie

[USS_Voyager 1,972]

1 minute ago, Greg Mc said:

Ha...unfortunately China combines mind-numbing bureaucracy with generally (by the region's standards) non-corrupt workers...so that option sadly didn't exist either... 

You're telling me all China has is non-corrupt workers? Oh please.

[Greg Mc 6]

Does anyone know or could confirm if the police certificate for China can be obtained from one PSB bureau? I noticed a service online that specified they could retrieve any police certificate from any city so long as one of them had been registered in Shanghai, meaning either the agent can go to the Shanghai office and retrieve multiple police certs or the police cert itself can be universalized from that office to cover all of China...

 

I have a much better chance of accessing a police cert from my time in Beijing where foreigners and this request are much more common than the small town I lived in near Hangzhou...

[RandyW 149]

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I had my employer sign and stamp a letter to explain our efforts to obtain this police certificate and how it wasn't possible, probably owing to the fact that out of a town of 10 million or so, there might have only been about 5 foreigners and as such, local police are not too fussed to help out or follow the law as provided....

 

The best approach is probably to contact the employer, get them to write a letter stating that, to THEIR knowledge, you have no criminal history. Then have that converted to a notarial certificate.

 

 

see Police (criminal record) report process is broken on CFL - read the ENTIRE TOPIC

 

The Police basically have "No record" of you, and that's exactly what you need to get someone to state.

Edited June 18, 2019 by RandyW

[RandyW 149]

You need to find someone either in the PSB where you registered your stay or your employer who is willing to provide a statement of no criminal record 无犯罪记录  (Wú fànzuì jìlù)  in Chinese.

 

Take this to the Gong Zheng Chu, or 公证处  for a 未受刑事处分公证书 （wei shou xing shi chu fen gong zheng shu)  or "No criminal sanction public certificate".

 

You will want to document ALL contacts made - take names, and take notes about what you were told - in case you are unable to acquire the statement of no criminal record.

[RandyW 149]

Bribes are Nature's Way of announcing that you are a filthy rich foreigner, and what you think of their legal system.

[Greg Mc 6]

4 hours ago, RandyW said:

Bribes are Nature's Way of announcing that you are a filthy rich foreigner, and what you think of their legal system.

Yes, hence I didn't. Even though their legal system eh...refused to provide me a legally provided for document for no reason...

[Greg Mc 6]

13 hours ago, RandyW said:

You need to find someone either in the PSB where you registered your stay or your employer who is willing to provide a statement of no criminal record 无犯罪记录  (Wú fànzuì jìlù)  in Chinese.

 

Take this to the Gong Zheng Chu, or 公证处  for a 未受刑事处分公证书 （wei shou xing shi chu fen gong zheng shu)  or "No criminal sanction public certificate".

 

You will want to document ALL contacts made - take names, and take notes about what you were told - in case you are unable to acquire the statement of no criminal record.

Thank you very much but I am not in China and my school which withheld wages from me is sadly not likely to assist me in this endeavor. I have no alternative but to fly back and proceed with all that nonsense again, this time without the help of my employer?