Thousands Protest Immigration Bills

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Does anyone seriously believe that giving these people a 3, 4, 5, or 6 year "temporary" work visa is the answer. Let's see if our temporary workers will go home when their visas expire.

They won't leave then just as little as they are leaving now. To believe otherwise is naive at best. More will come illegally if those that came here illegally previously are rewarded in any way, shape or form. That's an irrefutable fact.

[mercuryroad 0]

Does anyone seriously believe that giving these people a 3, 4, 5, or 6 year "temporary" work visa is the answer. Let's see if our temporary workers will go home when their visas expire.

They won't leave then just as little as they are leaving now. To believe otherwise is naive at best. More will come illegally if those that came here illegally previously are rewarded in any way, shape or form. That's an irrefutable fact.

So you're saying the problem is unsolvable.......

If this is true, then why are we wasting money and time on this problem?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

They won't leave then just as little as they are leaving now. To believe otherwise is naive at best. More will come illegally if those that came here illegally previously are rewarded in any way, shape or form. That's an irrefutable fact.

So you're saying the problem is unsolvable.......

If this is true, then why are we wasting money and time on this problem?

He's not saying that, merc.

He's saying the problem won't be solved by letting them stay longer. He's saying the problem will be worse if we reward them for their crimes.

[Mirorgate 0]

Does anyone seriously believe that giving these people a 3, 4, 5, or 6 year "temporary" work visa is the answer. Let's see if our temporary workers will go home when their visas expire.

They won't leave then just as little as they are leaving now. To believe otherwise is naive at best. More will come illegally if those that came here illegally previously are rewarded in any way, shape or form. That's an irrefutable fact.

So you're saying the problem is unsolvable.......

If this is true, then why are we wasting money and time on this problem?

Nah... he's saying hat the "Temp" work visa is not the answer as it sends the wrong message back home... as in "Get here illegally, we'll give you a card to work legally" type of thing.

But yes, we are wasting money and resources with that mentality.

[mercuryroad 0]

Does anyone seriously believe that giving these people a 3, 4, 5, or 6 year "temporary" work visa is the answer. Let's see if our temporary workers will go home when their visas expire.

They won't leave then just as little as they are leaving now. To believe otherwise is naive at best. More will come illegally if those that came here illegally previously are rewarded in any way, shape or form. That's an irrefutable fact.

So you're saying the problem is unsolvable.......

If this is true, then why are we wasting money and time on this problem?

Nah... he's saying hat the "Temp" work visa is not the answer as it sends the wrong message back home... as in "Get here illegally, we'll give you a card to work legally" type of thing.

But yes, we are wasting money and resources with that mentality.

OK - well if that idea sucks, then what else do we have? What is the solution?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

OK - well if that idea sucks, then what else do we have? What is the solution?

Shut down the border.

Increase costs to businesses that want to employ illegals. More raids. More fines. More oversight.

[Donal78 0]

i disagree that these so called illegal immigrants should have any rights. They came here illegally and contribute nothing to society. Look at most legit K1 visa holders, we spent months and months been scrutinised all because we married an american citizen and want to live and work here legally. We spent hundreds maybe thousands if you get an immigration lawyer to come here. All legit and above board to move here. In my own situation we would have been better off financially to stay in ireland but we choose to come here. My gf's family are here so why shouldnt i have the right to move here.

I think the illegal mexicans have a cheek to say they want free housing and to be able to work here legally. The reason why there are immigration laws so that the country wont be overun with illegals. If they get housing why shouldnt we who went through the whole process legally.

[mercuryroad 0]

OK - well if that idea sucks, then what else do we have? What is the solution?

Shut down the border.

Increase costs to businesses that want to employ illegals. More raids. More fines. More oversight.

So.....more money, more government, more process

What do we get in return exactly? I'm forgetting.....

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

OK - well if that idea sucks, then what else do we have? What is the solution?

Shut down the border.

Increase costs to businesses that want to employ illegals. More raids. More fines. More oversight.

So.....more money, more government, more process

What do we get in return exactly? I'm forgetting.....

No, not more money, more gov't, more process. A secure border, criminal businesses indicted and convicted, scammers sent on their way. We get in return: Fair pay for legal workers, more tax revenues from that legal workforce, significantly less of a burden on the tax-payer funded public health care system [does it ever bother you that the one sneaking across the border illegally gets health care at no cost while your legally immigrating fiance(e) or spouse won't get the same benefit? You're on the hook for that but no employer harboring and employing illegals is ever made to pay for #######!], less burden on public schools, lower auto insurance rates (due to less uninsured drivers), and the list goes on...

[Mirorgate 0]

OK - well if that idea sucks, then what else do we have? What is the solution?

Hmmm.... how about as someone said.... the companies that claim they can't do business unless they have illegals pony up and pay to sponsor them here legally.

Also, as Pedro once stated... most coming here aren't the "dirt poor with nothing left to lose" as the media paints them. Down on luck maybe, and in need/want of better life. Mostly unskilled and poorly educated (no HS degree even from country of origin). So now we also have to educate them. Yes, as you said they are people, who want a better way in life for themselves and family. And they should be too. But there are ways to go about it, and this isn't one of them.

The solution is my mind would be to have companies that state they need that kind of labor to pay for the visa. Pay the extra to expedite it too if they need them here that badly. Top IT/Medical companies do for J type visa's for their prospective areas.

i disagree that these so called illegal immigrants should have any rights. They came here illegally and contribute nothing to society. Look at most legit K1 visa holders, we spent months and months been scrutinised all because we married an american citizen and want to live and work here legally. We spent hundreds maybe thousands if you get an immigration lawyer to come here. All legit and above board to move here. In my own situation we would have been better off financially to stay in ireland but we choose to come here. My gf's family are here so why shouldnt i have the right to move here.

I think the illegal mexicans have a cheek to say they want free housing and to be able to work here legally. The reason why there are immigration laws so that the country wont be overun with illegals. If they get housing why shouldnt we who went through the whole process legally.

Woah.... who said they wanted/were getting free houses/housing?

[Bootylicious!! 2]

I do realize the majority of these illegals are Mexicans, but can we please stop acting like they are the only ones doing this sort of thing. Quit generalizing please. The only reason they are labeled Mexicans is because the color of their skin. Just because they look Mexican doesn't mean they are. Let's all remember they are Latinos. Now, continue on please.

[Donal78 0]

Well there was a protest planned for pheonix,arizona. We have relations downthere and thats exactly what the illegals are asking for.They want more rights, free housing etc. Maybe im wrong but thats the word on the street in arizona.

Woah.... who said they wanted/were getting free houses/housing?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The only reason they are labeled Mexicans is because the color of their skin.

No, it's because a majority of them are from Mexico. 57%, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. If you resolve the problem with illegal immigration from Mexico, you end up with a much smaller problem.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4703307

Makes perfect sense to attack the problem at the Mexican border.

Edited March 27, 2006 by Agent Smith

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The solution is my mind would be to have companies that state they need that kind of labor to pay for the visa. Pay the extra to expedite it too if they need them here that badly.

Don't forget to have these employers pick-up the health insurance for these aliens as well as anyone else that sponsors aliens into the US is asked to do. The benefits to any employer of what is now the illegal workforce (for which all of us pay dearly so a few can profit outragously) would erode rather quickly and the American worker would, all of a sudden, look a lot more attractive once again.

[rebeccajo 14]

There ARE ALREADY programs in place to bring migrant workers here legally. I have an acquaintance who owns a sweet potatoe farm in Louisiana. She and her husband do the paperwork every spring to bring several families in here LEGALLY to help in the fields. They pay them properly and house them. She says they have a good work ethic, don't come in drunk and treat their women (who often come with them) very well. These workers DO go back to Mexico - they aren't immigrating. But my point is - business can and should be held accountable. If that woman and her husband can do it, then so can everybody else.

Health care? That's a WHOLE OTHER topic.....that's a crisis for the poor working citizenry as well as the immigrant community.

Edited March 27, 2006 by rebeccajo