Thousands Protest Immigration Bills

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

This problem can't be solved merely on the demand side. Supply will have to be curtailed simultaneously, and that means better border controls.

Well, if immigrants are considered the 'supply' side of the equation, in a free-flowing economy, doesn't supply and demand usually sort itself out over the course of time? I thought that's what I learned in economics class...........

Sure. In this case they have. Demand exists, supply exists to meet it. There is an equilibrium but in this case the equilibrium involves an arrangement that is clearly illegal.

[almaty 19]

This problem can't be solved merely on the demand side. Supply will have to be curtailed simultaneously, and that means better border controls.

Well, if immigrants are considered the 'supply' side of the equation, in a free-flowing economy, doesn't supply and demand usually sort itself out over the course of time? I thought that's what I learned in economics class...........

Sure. In this case they have. Demand exists, supply exists to meet it. There is an equilibrium but in this case the equilibrium involves an arrangement that is clearly illegal.

total agreement..of course,, there are no costly peanlities that keep "big busineess' from hiring illegals...it is much more detrimental to the little guy...

[mercuryroad 0]

I'm a little surprised at the lack of compassion here. I'm in favor of doing things by the book, but how many of us have been in such dire circumstances that we could even understand what these people go through?

The people that come here illegally are probably not affluent in their country. Perhaps we should do more work to make these countries more economically viable so people won't have to leave. Poverty is the issue.

give me a dayum break....

my husband is from pakistan< the back world I might add >. these illegals are mostly from mexico- a wealthy nation I will add!!!I just wrote a paper about this stuff. let me tell you the ONLY reason its a good idea to make the illegals legal would before help with the Social Security for when we all get old. there would be enought social security in the kitty for the next 75 years and counting.

It burns my behind to see me on Admin review hell for 9 months and doing things step by step playing by the rules. then joe blow illegal gets to come and stay like its no big deal. like there was no crime comitted at all if my husband were to do that same stuff he would be deported faster than lighting.

I really wish you the best and hope the Admin review ends soon for you.

I'm also thankful that once your husband comes here legally that he will be eligible to work at a decent wage and not live in fear of some Americans and other people that would exploit him and violate his human rights because they now they can out of his fear of deportation. I'm thankful that he will be safe going to the police if a crime has been perpetrated against him.

I'm not saying I agree with doing things illegally......but I also understand. As evidence from the discussion on this board, there is no easy solution. America is amoung the world's rich and people in desperation will be drawn to that. It's the price that is paid. When we're drinking our $4 cups of coffee at Starbucks, riding in our new SUV's, paying athletes millions and millions of dollars, maybe we should stop to take pause and be thankful for all we have and that we are not the people that feel the need to risk death to escape their desparation.

I hope none of us ever have to be in a situation of that level of desparation......and I hope you can have compassion for those that are. We are far too rich in this country to have lost our conscious, and I feel sad that we've become so spoiled and comfortable with our lifestyle that we don't even see our own noses pointed in the air.

Would you steal bread if your family was starving?

[mawilson 2,133]

Basically, give them 30 days to come out of the shadows and

identify themselves; if they don't -- find and deport EVERY single one of them. No

exceptions, humanitarian reasons or family reunions.

How will you find them? This is a big country and it's not hard to hide.

Simple -- report an illegal, get $10,000. How long do you think they'll last?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Would you steal bread if your family was starving?

Clichées don't help an honest debate, merc. Those really desperate and poor with actually starving families have no way of even making it here. Nor do they have the luxury of pondering such thoughts.

[mercuryroad 0]

Would you steal bread if your family was starving?

Clichées don't help an honest debate, merc. Those really desperate and poor with actually starving families have no way of even making it here. Nor do they have the luxury of pondering such thoughts.

Put it in perspective.....these people are essentially stealing. I worked on a farm for a few summers and spent a lot of time with some illegal Mexican workers. Their life wasn't exactly wine and roses and they sent their money back home to support their families....all the while living on as little as possible. They were in that sense stealing to feed their family.

The cliche is not irrelevant in this case....it is a form of the same question.

[peejay 327]

To convince me that there is no racism behind the immigration quotas which are clearly targeted at keeping the country white will be difficult. What are the reasons for giving higher quotas to European countries if not maintaining current racial distributions? It's most likely not education since that falls into a different category. I'm wasn't making this a race issue or a civil rights issue, because not every time someone says "race" it is civil rights that are being discussed. Btw, this is not just about Mexico because not all illegal immigrants come from Mexico. Mexico just happens to be a convenient scapegoat, and thus follows into the footsteps of nations from which immigrants came in earlier times among them Germany, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Russia. Do you honestly think the Mexican government is responsible for illlegal immigration???

The Mexican government has established documented staging areas at the border, it has printed literature detailing how to enter the USA illegally and to avoid detection, and their belligerent interference in our internal affairs in regards to illegal immigration of its citizens into the USA answers that question.

So the answer to the world's problems is to reduce the population of the USA and EU to what...50%, 25%, 10% white? Maybe we should force Japan (a rich industrialized democracy) to take in huge numbers of non-Asian races. Do you think they would go for it? These theories are preposterous.

Vincente Fox just announce a huge oil discovery offshore. Maybe with his new found wealth you can convince hime to take in more non-Hispanics so his country can become more diverse. Do you think he would go for it?

I wonder if our 3rd NAFTA partner, Canada, would like it if Mexico sent 6, 8, or 10 million illegals for them to deal with. Do you think they would go for it?

Mexico is not a convenient scapegoat...they are just the shameless major contributor of illegal immigration to the USA. Instead of bashing America because its sexy...why not take Mexico to task for its corrupt oligarchic ways. They will NEVER change as long as they can shove their problems across the border.

[rebeccajo 14]

This problem can't be solved merely on the demand side. Supply will have to be curtailed simultaneously, and that means better border controls.

Well, if immigrants are considered the 'supply' side of the equation, in a free-flowing economy, doesn't supply and demand usually sort itself out over the course of time? I thought that's what I learned in economics class...........

Sure. In this case they have. Demand exists, supply exists to meet it. There is an equilibrium but in this case the equilibrium involves an arrangement that is clearly illegal.

Fair enough. But would the supply (illegals) be there if the demand (the profits of the their employers) were not corrupt?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

... would the supply (illegals) be there if the demand (the profits of the their employers) were not corrupt?

They both exist because of each other. Asking which one came first is like asking which came first, the chicken or the egg?

You want to fix the problem, remove both supply and demand. Removing only one won't cut it. When one exists, the other will.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Would you steal bread if your family was starving?

Clichées don't help an honest debate, merc. Those really desperate and poor with actually starving families have no way of even making it here. Nor do they have the luxury of pondering such thoughts.

Put it in perspective.....these people are essentially stealing. I worked on a farm for a few summers and spent a lot of time with some illegal Mexican workers. Their life wasn't exactly wine and roses and they sent their money back home to support their families....all the while living on as little as possible. They were in that sense stealing to feed their family.

The cliche is not irrelevant in this case....it is a form of the same question.

Stealing? Yes. Starving? No. Wine and Roses? Who said that their illegal existences here are wine and roses?

Yes, they are poorer than the average guy in this here country. But the poorest guy over there is still relatively wealthy compared to the really poor in this world.

Mexico's 2005 per capita GNI was $6,770.00. That compares to a per capita GNI of just over $6,000.00 for Poland (that's a EU member nation that is poorer than Mexico) or to a per capita GNI of $1,290.00 for China and per capita GNI's of around $100.00 elsewhere in the really poor parts of the world. It all needs to be put in some perspective indeed. And once you do, you'll realize that Mexico ain't nowhere near the bottom.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Mexico's 2005 per capita GNI was $6,770.00. That compares to a per capita GNI of just over $6,000.00 for Poland (that's a EU member nation that is poorer than Mexico) or to a per capita GNI of $1,290.00 for China and per capita GNI's of around $100.00 elsewhere in the really poor parts of the world. It all needs to be put in some perspective indeed. And once you do, you'll realize that Mexico ain't nowhere near the bottom.

Well said. Mexico is not poor.

[kerewin21 2]

Put it in perspective.....these people are essentially stealing. I worked on a farm for a few summers and spent a lot of time with some illegal Mexican workers. Their life wasn't exactly wine and roses and they sent their money back home to support their families....all the while living on as little as possible. They were in that sense stealing to feed their family.

The cliche is not irrelevant in this case....it is a form of the same question.

I agree. I can't believe those of you who have seen how it is in other countries can have absolutely no sympathy for the plight of some of these people. They are desperate for a better life, and they go through he11 to get it. I wish some of you would read and listen to the stories I posted above, maybe you would have some compassion.

Mexico's 2005 per capita GNI was $6,770.00. That compares to a per capita GNI of just over $6,000.00 for Poland (that's a EU member nation that is poorer than Mexico) or to a per capita GNI of $1,290.00 for China and per capita GNI's of around $100.00 elsewhere in the really poor parts of the world. It all needs to be put in some perspective indeed. And once you do, you'll realize that Mexico ain't nowhere near the bottom.

You have to remember that Mexico is a very unequal society. There are some people who are extremely rich and some who are extremely poor. This of course makes the average look pretty good. It's not the rich people who are coming here illegally.

People from Poland and China would be coming here as much as those from Mexico and Central America if there were a border they could cross. It just happens to be a lot harder to come here from those countries than from Mexico.

[Mand 1]

People from Poland move to better off EU countries, work there and send the money home.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Mexico's 2005 per capita GNI was $6,770.00. That compares to a per capita GNI of just over $6,000.00 for Poland (that's a EU member nation that is poorer than Mexico) or to a per capita GNI of $1,290.00 for China and per capita GNI's of around $100.00 elsewhere in the really poor parts of the world. It all needs to be put in some perspective indeed. And once you do, you'll realize that Mexico ain't nowhere near the bottom.

You have to remember that Mexico is a very unequal society. There are some people who are extremely rich and some who are extremely poor. This of course makes the average look pretty good. It's not the rich people who are coming here illegally.

You have to remember that most societies are that way. Poland, China and even some of the most desperate of places have some extremely rich folks around. Even Ethiopia has it's own billionaire. How much does his wealth weigh on the average of that country? Do the math, you'd be impressed. The gap between the very rich and very poor is existent literally everywhere. That's not a Mexican phenomenon. Hell, the per capita GNI of the US is around $40K. Yet, there are better than 10% of the population living below poverty level - that's less than 20K for a household of four (or less than 5K per head).

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

People from Poland move to better off EU countries, work there and send the money home.

The EU allows that, though. It's legal. World of difference.