Thousands Protest Immigration Bills

[pedroh 21]

hey hey hey.. the maras are from central america.. dont share the guilt there..

all the other stuff are speculations.. as they were for WMD in iraq

The key question, of course, revolves around the likelihood of Mara/al-Qaeda cooperation. Broadly speaking there are four factors which make such cooperation unlikely. Firstly the Maras are not a centralized organization; on the contrary they are a highly de-centralized transnational criminal network. In short they do not have the central decision-making mechanisms to establish a relationship with a sophisticated, non-indigenous organization like al-Qaeda

read this thingie..

alqaedas unlikely allies in central america

[dalegg 143]

hey hey hey.. the maras are from central america.. dont share the guilt there..

all the other stuff are speculations.. as they were for WMD in iraq

The key question, of course, revolves around the likelihood of Mara/al-Qaeda cooperation. Broadly speaking there are four factors which make such cooperation unlikely. Firstly the Maras are not a centralized organization; on the contrary they are a highly de-centralized transnational criminal network. In short they do not have the central decision-making mechanisms to establish a relationship with a sophisticated, non-indigenous organization like al-Qaeda

read this thingie..

alqaedas unlikely allies in central america

Anthing that says "unlikely ties" is hard to take as a fact. This is one guys opinion as to why it's unlikely.

The fact is that Adnan el-Shukrijumah was in fact in Mexico and had connections to Al Qaeda. Sharif al-Masri, a key al-Qaida operative told interrogators that there was a plan to bring nukes through Mexico.

That's really the whole point there. Whether it could have gone down the way they wanted it to or not may be in question, but this case shows that there is a connection.

By the way I saw the remark " Palestinian training camps outside of Cancun is truly poquito loco moto en la cabeza or whatever", but I didn't see where Married_my_love mentioned anything about Palestinians. I may have missed it.

[mawilson 2,133]

If you were a middle-Eastern terrorist, how would you get into the US, assuming you

couldn't just walk into the US Consulate in Dirkadirkistan and apply for a tourist visa?

Come on -- it's common sense, really. The terrorists may be dumb but not THAT dumb.

[Scott & Lai 12]

Yes they broke white man's law by coming here, but they haven't broken God's law.

Oh? God says it's okay to ignore the laws of another nation? Or it's okay to ignore laws if they are made by people with lighter skin than you? Sounds pretty racist to me

But maybe you're right: anything faintly brown skinned has to be either illegal or Islamic, or both perhaps?

Ah, the "dismissing an argument by claiming it is just about brown skin" thing again..... YAAWWNN

[pedroh 21]

If you were a middle-Eastern terrorist, how would you get into the US, assuming you

couldn't just walk into the US Consulate in Dirkadirkistan and apply for a tourist visa?

Come on -- it's common sense, really. The terrorists may be dumb but not THAT dumb.

well i wouldn't take as an alternative trying to cross a very vigilated border as the US MExico.. besides.. getting a tourist visa as a Mexican is not that easier compared to a middle east country..

[tom&tata 2]

Yes they broke white man's law by coming here, but they haven't broken God's law.

Oh? God says it's okay to ignore the laws of another nation? Or it's okay to ignore laws if they are made by people with lighter skin than you? Sounds pretty racist to me

You do not sin because you did not break God's law, but it does not mean you cannot go to jail for it.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

If you remember...I called you to task in the past (just as I did Fischkoepfin) for talking trash and throwing out the race card. A common tactic of the Left when they don't get their way or others disagree with them.

Excuse the f**k out of me.... I take great offense to that. I am further left than most people and I have never once even considered using the race card because that is wrong.

Since the thread continues to revolve around race, I feel the need to chime in again:

Who is throwing the race card? As I said before the way the quotas are administered is racist because they favor white immigration over non-white immigration, which happens to be a fact. Race is an arbitrary citerion when it comes to meeting the need of US companies to hire workers on all skill levels and legislating/mandating what skin color/nationality an immigrant has everything to do with racial distribution and nothing with qualifications. I do think that became obvious in peejay's reply to me about the US and Europe becoming less than 50% white and the fact that some of you defended peejay's comments by pointing out that they were justified because he was "just replying" to me.

What bugs me is that every time someone complains about generalizations about Mexicans or Muslims or illegal immigrants that abound in this thread, the person pointing out the racist nature of the generalization is accused of bringing in race/playing the race card. That is ridiculous! Because what else are you doing when you say all protesters were Mexican and illegal? What do you base your argument on? Did you take the time to check IDs to establish their citizenship or did you just assume that was the case based on the color of their skin?

hey hey hey.. the maras are from central america.. dont share the guilt there..

all the other stuff are speculations.. as they were for WMD in iraq

The key question, of course, revolves around the likelihood of Mara/al-Qaeda cooperation. Broadly speaking there are four factors which make such cooperation unlikely. Firstly the Maras are not a centralized organization; on the contrary they are a highly de-centralized transnational criminal network. In short they do not have the central decision-making mechanisms to establish a relationship with a sophisticated, non-indigenous organization like al-Qaeda

read this thingie..

alqaedas unlikely allies in central america

Anthing that says "unlikely ties" is hard to take as a fact. This is one guys opinion as to why it's unlikely.

The fact is that Adnan el-Shukrijumah was in fact in Mexico and had connections to Al Qaeda. Sharif al-Masri, a key al-Qaida operative told interrogators that there was a plan to bring nukes through Mexico.

That's really the whole point there. Whether it could have gone down the way they wanted it to or not may be in question, but this case shows that there is a connection.

By the way I saw the remark " Palestinian training camps outside of Cancun is truly poquito loco moto en la cabeza or whatever", but I didn't see where Married_my_love mentioned anything about Palestinians. I may have missed it.

So al-Masri has supposedly claimed that there is a terrorist connection to Mexico. But given US-interrogation methods around the world (mainly through off-shoring of prisoners to countries like Syria or Afghanistan that use torture as a means to obtain the necessary information), how can we actually trust what al-Masri is alleged to say?

As to WorldNetDaily being a reliable source, I don't know. WND is known as the No. 1 conservative website on the internet and happens to proclaim that fact on a regular basis. So any claims they make or any information they distribute is highly likely to support their cause. Link

[Scott & Lai 12]

Yes they broke white man's law by coming here, but they haven't broken God's law.

Oh? God says it's okay to ignore the laws of another nation? Or it's okay to ignore laws if they are made by people with lighter skin than you? Sounds pretty racist to me

You do not sin because you did not break God's law, but it does not mean you cannot go to jail for it.

Disobeying the law isn't sin?

Romans 13:1-2

1Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

And just in case "the white man's" language doesn't count:

1Todos deben someterse a las autoridades públicas, pues no hay autoridad que Dios no haya dispuesto, así que las que existen fueron establecidas por él. 2Por lo tanto, todo el que se opone a la autoridad se rebela contra lo que Dios ha instituido. Los que así proceden recibirán castigo.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

And just in case "the white man's" language doesn't count:

1Todos deben someterse a las autoridades públicas, pues no hay autoridad que Dios no haya dispuesto, así que las que existen fueron establecidas por él. 2Por lo tanto, todo el que se opone a la autoridad se rebela contra lo que Dios ha instituido. Los que así proceden recibirán castigo.

Since when is Spanish not "the white man's language?"

[Married_my_love 0]

I can tell you that Palestinian training camps outside of Cancun is truly poquito loco moto en la cabeza or whatever.

You call me ignorant... when did I talk about palestinian training camps?

In my opinion, the rules and laws should apply to everyone, equally, across the board, regardless of their brown skin, white skin, yellow skin, no skin, leopard skin....

I knew I shouldn't have posted in this thread. God forbid I would have an opinion about what is happening in the state I live in...

[Married_my_love 0]

(So everyone knows, I will state that the word "illegal" does not only mean from Mexico, but if you want me to get the census figures and do a pie graph on California... I'll try)

Education: California taxpayers are being forced to pay for the schooling of the children of illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants do not pay enough in taxes, if they pay at all, to reimburse taxpayers the $5,000-plus annually it takes to educate each child.

The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states $7.4 billion annually-- enough to buy a computer for every junior high student nationwide.

In California, the $2.2 billion spent on the education of the children of illegal immigrants for one year could:

* Pay the salaries of 41,764 teachers, or 14 percent of California's teachers.

* Pay for California 's class sizes to remain capped at 20 students for a year, with $300 million to spare.

* Buy books, computers, and other instructional equipment for 346,689 classrooms, 79 percent of all classrooms in California.

* Fully fund California's free lunch program for almost two years.

Emergency Health Care: Taxpayers are forced to provide emergency health care for illegal aliens and their children who do not have insurance.

Emergency health care for illegal aliens along the southwestern border is already costing area hospitals $200 million a year, with perhaps another $100 million in extended care costs.

Hospitals must provide emergency treatment to all who walk through the door, regardless of their citizenship status or ability to pay. In 2001, America's hospitals provided nearly $21 billion in uncompensated health care services. Our hospital emergency rooms are also being used for more and more routine doctor visits, like colds and flu.

Hospitals in California rank first in the country in expenditures for providing health care to illegal immigrants.

The Center for Medicaid Services at the Department of Health and Human Services reported that for FY 2001, the health care costs for illegal immigrants in California were more than $648 million. California paid 47 percent of these costs, or $304 million, for this mandate.

Population Crisis: In California, we are in the midst of a population crisis that is already affecting every aspect of life in our state and will continue to get worse.

An estimated 7 million illegal immigrants were residing in the United States in January 2000. This is double the size of the illegal immigrant population in January 1990 and constitutes 2.5 percent of the total U.S. population of just over 281 million.

More than one third of the 3.5 million total increase in illegal immigration since 1990 occurred in California and Texas.

California has the highest number of illegal immigrants residing in its borders. The estimated number of illegal alien residents in California was about 2.2 million, or nearly 32 percent of the total number of illegal immigrants in the United States.

Crime: Fifteen percent of California's prison inmates are undocumented aliens, costing the state more than $500 million annually.

Welfare and Government Assistance: Fraudulent Social Security cards, driver's licenses and birth certificates are being bought by thousands of illegal immigrants each year. These false documents are used by individuals to get millions of dollars worth of welfare, public housing and Social Security benefits.

Edited March 30, 2006 by Married_my_love

[tom&tata 2]

Yes they broke white man's law by coming here, but they haven't broken God's law.

Oh? God says it's okay to ignore the laws of another nation? Or it's okay to ignore laws if they are made by people with lighter skin than you? Sounds pretty racist to me

You do not sin because you did not break God's law, but it does not mean you cannot go to jail for it.

Disobeying the law isn't sin?

Romans 13:1-2

1Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

And just in case "the white man's" language doesn't count:

1Todos deben someterse a las autoridades públicas, pues no hay autoridad que Dios no haya dispuesto, así que las que existen fueron establecidas por él. 2Por lo tanto, todo el que se opone a la autoridad se rebela contra lo que Dios ha instituido. Los que así proceden recibirán castigo.

My comment was towards the comment that illegal immigrants being breaking white man's law bearing smaller consequences compared to breaking God's law.

You kill a guy, common knowledge you comitted a sin and you can go to jail.

You being illegal immigrant, I do not know about definitive answer of that on the sin (it is a God thing that unless I read somewhere explicitly that being illegal immigrant is a sin, I am not 100% sure). But it is 100% breaking the law and some of possible consequence is of course jail.

Edited March 30, 2006 by tom&tata

[Fuzzness 2]

just killed this thread by bringing God into it

[KarenCee 3]

Oh good grief...how did God get brought into this discussion on immigration?????

[pedroh 21]

And just in case "the white man's" language doesn't count:

1Todos deben someterse a las autoridades públicas, pues no hay autoridad que Dios no haya dispuesto, así que las que existen fueron establecidas por él. 2Por lo tanto, todo el que se opone a la autoridad se rebela contra lo que Dios ha instituido. Los que así proceden recibirán castigo.

Since when is Spanish not "the white man's language?"

'

yes.. since when?? I know a lot of white people who speak spanish.. basques are white.. my mom is white and speaks spanish

PWNED!!

Who is throwing the race card? As I said before the way the quotas are administered is racist because they favor white immigration over non-white immigration, which happens to be a fact. Race is an arbitrary citerion when it comes to meeting the need of US companies to hire workers on all skill levels and legislating/mandating what skin color/nationality an immigrant has everything to do with racial distribution and nothing with qualifications. I do think that became obvious in peejay's reply to me about the US and Europe becoming less than 50% white and the fact that some of you defended peejay's comments by pointing out that they were justified because he was "just replying" to me.

What bugs me is that every time someone complains about generalizations about Mexicans or Muslims or illegal immigrants that abound in this thread, the person pointing out the racist nature of the generalization is accused of bringing in race/playing the race card. That is ridiculous! Because what else are you doing when you say all protesters were Mexican and illegal? What do you base your argument on? Did you take the time to check IDs to establish their citizenship or did you just assume that was the case based on the color of their skin?

hey hey hey.. the maras are from central america.. dont share the guilt there..

all the other stuff are speculations.. as they were for WMD in iraq

The key question, of course, revolves around the likelihood of Mara/al-Qaeda cooperation. Broadly speaking there are four factors which make such cooperation unlikely. Firstly the Maras are not a centralized organization; on the contrary they are a highly de-centralized transnational criminal network. In short they do not have the central decision-making mechanisms to establish a relationship with a sophisticated, non-indigenous organization like al-Qaeda

read this thingie..

alqaedas unlikely allies in central america

Anthing that says "unlikely ties" is hard to take as a fact. This is one guys opinion as to why it's unlikely.

The fact is that Adnan el-Shukrijumah was in fact in Mexico and had connections to Al Qaeda. Sharif al-Masri, a key al-Qaida operative told interrogators that there was a plan to bring nukes through Mexico.

That's really the whole point there. Whether it could have gone down the way they wanted it to or not may be in question, but this case shows that there is a connection.

By the way I saw the remark " Palestinian training camps outside of Cancun is truly poquito loco moto en la cabeza or whatever", but I didn't see where Married_my_love mentioned anything about Palestinians. I may have missed it.

So al-Masri has supposedly claimed that there is a terrorist connection to Mexico. But given US-interrogation methods around the world (mainly through off-shoring of prisoners to countries like Syria or Afghanistan that use torture as a means to obtain the necessary information), how can we actually trust what al-Masri is alleged to say?

As to WorldNetDaily being a reliable source, I don't know. WND is known as the No. 1 conservative website on the internet and happens to proclaim that fact on a regular basis. So any claims they make or any information they distribute is highly likely to support their cause. Link

LOL