Fiance Visa vs Spouse Visa for Pakistan

[Pinkrlion 2,723]

20 minutes ago, PistachioRose said:

I know many people paint a pretty picture with no intent to stay married once they get here. It is not that I don't understand the definition of the word serial. It is just when you label me as a person serial marrying Pakistani people to immigrate that is not the truth. I married and had real relationships. There were gaps between the marriages as well. I know why it may look bad but I want to gather advice on how to prepare myself.

Not sure why u r offended by a word. You are about to embark on your third marriage from a high fraud country with children. Are you from Pakistan? You are the older woman. How long have you been together? To avoid issues you need to be in this relationship for a long period of time before filing. A short engagement to marriage will raise red flags. You forget older women, younger men petitions are scrutinized heavier. 

 

Edited June 9, 2019 by Pinkrlion

[PistachioRose 2]

1 minute ago, Pinkrlion said:

Not sure why u r offended by a word. You are about to embark on your third marriage with children. Are you from Pakistan? You are the older woman. How long have you been together? To avoid issues you need to be in this relationship for a long period of time before filing. 

 

Is three years long enough? We have met twice and stayed together in his home with family in separate rooms. I slept in the room with his sister. We had an engagement. I stayed 21 days and 30 days on two occasions with a six month happy between the two. Planning another visit in a few months to stay a month. I am debating to marry or to kit marry. He thinks the fiance Visa is easier for us but I believe we better marry and do the Spouse visa. He says I can love there but the children would have to relocate and they do not want to at the moment. I am trying to make things work for all of us. He has strong ties in his country because he is an imam and runs an Islamic center. So he would prefer to live therem it is not convenient for him to leave Pakistan. His mother is a widow and he worries about leaving her as well. He is relocating because it is he best way for us both. If there had been no kids it may have been eaiser for me to relocate to Pakistan. I am Muslim and he is Muslim also. 

[PistachioRose 2]

The age gap is 9 years.

[Going through 5,671]

With the history, personally I think CR-1 (spouse visa) is the better choice.

[Zoeeeeeee 797]

21 minutes ago, PistachioRose said:

I know many people paint a pretty picture with no intent to stay married once they get here. It is not that I don't understand the definition of the word serial. It is just when you label me as a person serial marrying Pakistani people to immigrate that is not the truth. I married and had real relationships. There were gaps between the marriages as well. I know why it may look bad but I want to gather advice on how to prepare myself.

I personally think you’re focussing too much on inferring/caring what people on here think of your situation. I don’t think it’s our place to judge you - so I honestly don’t think you need to worry that people are labelling you.

 

You’ve said it’s not the case that you’re ‘a person serial marrying Pakistani people to immigrate’ - but actually, if you marry 3 Pakistani citizens and petition for them to immigrate...then actually, just reading the words on the screen and without placing inference on them, that is what you are. HOWEVER! The important part of this is the intent - WHY you’ve married them - and if the reason ISN’T so they can immigrate and IS because it’s a genuine bona fide relationship, that’s what you’ll need to display, really clearly, in your application. 

 

Please note, I’m not saying your relationship isn’t completely genuine - I have zero reason to believe it’s not - but the embassy will need a lot of convincing, because they will have to get over that first hurdle, that on paper this is the third time, from the same country. Good luck - I hope you’ll be able to gather all the evidence and that everything works out 🙏.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

Isn’t there some kind of issue with filing more than two K1s? Waiver needed, or something like that?

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

6 minutes ago, Zoeeeeeee said:

to immigrate...then actually, just reading the words on the screen and without placing inference on them, that is what you are. HOWEVER! The important part of this is the intent - WHY you’ve married them - and if the reason ISN’T so they can immigrate and IS because it’s a genuine bona fide relationship, that’s what you’ll need to display, really clearly, in your application. 

 

 

^ just to point out intent has to be bona fide from both sides, not just the petitioner. 

 

I am curious as to why an imam in Pakistan who doesn’t want to leave his congregation/has parents to look after etc is involved with someone from the US to begin with, however. I would presume he did not meet OP online, because it makes no sense for someone in that situation to be looking for a partner outside his immediate physical location.

Edited June 9, 2019 by SusieQQQ

[Jeanne Adil 1,651]

6 hours ago, PistachioRose said:

I feel offended by the "serial" comment.

The circumstances of each situation is unknown to you.

Ok, can you elaborate on what could happen?

Not an offensive statement is meant here /  my opinion 

we look at the way immigration sees things and only what they have done in the past

 

OP as far as marriage and CR1 ,  have you met him face to face?

it is never advisable to marry on the 1st trip

and it would require several trips to establish a solid relationship /also  what we have seen in the past

one member LOVETOTEACH (Pakistan)  has made over 5 tirps and is still denied at this point for her husband / she also had bought former husband into the US 

 

the best place for you to find out information is to read the portal for Pakistan and take the best advice from others in that country

[Jeanne Adil 1,651]

1 hour ago, PistachioRose said:

Well you are just being plain rude.

If we offend you,   you can call USCIS and ask the what they think

[Jeanne Adil 1,651]

1 hour ago, PistachioRose said:

Well you are just being plain rude.

Truly if you think your case is strong ,  marry and do the application

it is up to the embassy to decide / not us

 

9 years is not that much / we have a bigger difference 

i would worry more about the multiple divorces 

[Crazy Cat 41,888]

2 hours ago, PistachioRose said:

He thinks the fiance Visa is easier for us

That's a strange statement, imo.  Why would he think that?  

[SalishSea 17,836]

7 hours ago, PistachioRose said:

Ok, so either way I have my work cut out for me. I understand that it may be hard but hopefully not impossible. Does marrying someone from another country also become harder in a situation as such?

If you’ve already been through this twice in the last decade, you must be aware of some of the issues being pointed out to you?

[debbiedoo 2,339]

1 hour ago, SusieQQQ said:

Isn’t there some kind of issue with filing more than two K1s? Waiver needed, or something like that?

i believe it is the 3rd that a waiver is needed, yes.

 

OP - CR1 is always easier than a K1, especially from high fraud countries. Your fiance is incorrect.

 

Also, being on spouse #3 from there, i would think you would be better aware of the issues you face.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

28 minutes ago, missileman said:

That's a strange statement, imo.  Why would he think that?  

I wondered too.

Also if he is so close to his family, congregants etc wouldn’t he rather celebrate the wedding with them in attendance than in the US? It sounds like his mother may not be able to travel, surely he wants her there.

Edited June 9, 2019 by SusieQQQ

[SalishSea 17,836]

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