Fiance Visa vs Spouse Visa for Pakistan

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I would predict an extended administrative processing period of many, many months........based on historical evidence.

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3 hours ago, PistachioRose said:

Hello. For Pakistan is it better to marry and apply the Spouse Visa or is it okay to just apply for a Fiance Visa if you have already met. Will I have more chances of getting denied if I do the Fiance Visa? A little background information is that the female petitioner is 9 years older and previously married to two other Pakistani nationals who have entered USA. One marriage lasted two years and the other 8.5 years. Can you please advise me of the best type of Visa to apply for in this situation?

To clarify, did both previous marriages enter the USA with a K-1 Visa?

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2 hours ago, Zoeeeeeee said:

serial adjective [ not gradable ]

 US  /ˈsɪər·i·əl/

• happening one after another in time or order.

You can be offended by whatever you choose to be offended by - but the dictionary definition of ‘serial’ is one after another...which is exactly what you’ve posted about. If you want help, getting honest and accurate answers really is the best thing you can hope for, regardless of whether you like them.

Well you are just being plain rude.

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2 hours ago, debbiedoo said:

 

YOu can feel however you want, it doesn't change the fact they speak the truth.

 

You are looking at a high risk country. You are bringing (or attempting to bring) multiple people in. how long the marriages are or what the circumstances are is fairly a moot point.

 

You will need more than multiple visits. You will need concrete, indisputable EVIDENCE that it is a real marriage. Financial documents (lots of it), intermingling with family, holidays, birthdays, celebrations that may be cultural norms, extensive time together in person, etc

I have married them. Not because of the country but my own culture. It is just like marrying two people here of the same culture. None have been related. The marriages just did not work out. High risk why? Because they are Muslim? I have met my fiance twice so far and stayed two months during each stay. We have been together since 2017. I stayed in his home.

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1 minute ago, PistachioRose said:

High risk why? Because they are Muslim?

No, because it is a high fraud country......

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6 minutes ago, PistachioRose said:

I have married them. Not because of the country but my own culture. It is just like marrying two people here of the same culture. None have been related. The marriages just did not work out. High risk why? Because they are Muslim? I have met my fiance twice so far and stayed two months during each stay. We have been together since 2017. I stayed in his home.

high risk because it is a high fraud country. 

 

good luck to you.

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Just now, debbiedoo said:

high risk because it is a high fraud country. 

 

good luck to you.

Any recommendations on more evidence? Should I visit him more?

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5 minutes ago, PistachioRose said:

I have married them. Not because of the country but my own culture. It is just like marrying two people here of the same culture. None have been related. The marriages just did not work out. High risk why? Because they are Muslim? I have met my fiance twice so far and stayed two months during each stay. We have been together since 2017. I stayed in his home.

Good you may need more visits and a nice culturally appropriate marriage may work better for you.  K1 for often do not work as well especially if the spouse to be is more independent or a man who's more traditional in their thinking. 

 

Historically speaking Pakistani males can spend several months to several years in AP.  If you didn't find this on your previous two marriages, I'd be surprised.  There is no centralized police recording so extensive back ground checks must be performed. 

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2 minutes ago, PistachioRose said:

Any recommendations on more evidence? Should I visit him more?

For high fraud countries, more time together is usually the cure for all red flags......

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1 minute ago, NikLR said:

Good you may need more visits and a nice culturally appropriate marriage may work better for you.  K1 for often do not work as well especially if the spouse to be is more independent or a man who's more traditional in their thinking. 

 

Historically speaking Pakistani males can spend several months to several years in AP.  If you didn't find this on your previous two marriages, I'd be surprised.  There is no centralized police recording so extensive back ground checks must be performed. 

Thanks for a kinder response with facts. I know about AP both of my exes did go through this. I am prepared for that part. I just wanted to know if it is possible to obtain a K1. I tried to explain to my fiance that we need to marry instead.

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Just now, PistachioRose said:

I tried to explain to my fiance that we need to marry instead.

How does he feel about you re-locating to Pakistan to live?

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10 minutes ago, PistachioRose said:

Well you are just being plain rude.

Because I’ve explained the definition of a word that you don’t appear to understand? My apologies. 

 

10 minutes ago, PistachioRose said:

I have married them. Not because of the country but my own culture. It is just like marrying two people here of the same culture. None have been related. The marriages just did not work out. High risk why? Because they are Muslim? I have met my fiance twice so far and stayed two months during each stay. We have been together since 2017. I stayed in his home.

That’s the problem. It isn’t just like marrying someone already in America, of the same culture. Because someone already living in America has no reason to fake a relationship to enable them to move to what is generally assumed will be a better life. But for many people in Pakistan, that’s exactly what moving to America would be - a better life - one worth faking love for. That’s why Pakistan, along with many other countries, are considered high fraud risks.

 

I’m not saying that’s the case with your relationship in any way - but it’s something that the embassy will consider, as they will have seen many examples of fraud.

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9 minutes ago, missileman said:

How does he feel about you re-locating to Pakistan to live?

That's would be easier for both of us. He has said this often. The issue is I have children. He would be happy if I moved there. We have talked about it so often. I just have to figure out how to handle the children situation.

Edited June 9, 2019 by PistachioRose

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8 minutes ago, Zoeeeeeee said:

Because I’ve explained the definition of a word that you don’t appear to understand? My apologies. 

 

That’s the problem. It isn’t just like marrying someone already in America, of the same culture. Because someone already living in America has no reason to fake a relationship to enable them to move to what is generally assumed will be a better life. But for many people in Pakistan, that’s exactly what moving to America would be - a better life - one worth faking love for. That’s why Pakistan, along with many other countries, are considered high fraud risks.

 

I’m not saying that’s the case with your relationship in any way - but it’s something that the embassy will consider, as they will have seen many examples of fraud.

I know many people paint a pretty picture with no intent to stay married once they get here. It is not that I don't understand the definition of the word serial. It is just when you label me as a person serial marrying Pakistani people to immigrate that is not the truth. I married and had real relationships. There were gaps between the marriages as well. I know why it may look bad but I want to gather advice on how to prepare myself.

Edited June 9, 2019 by PistachioRose

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1 minute ago, PistachioRose said:

That's would be easier for both of us. He has said this often. The issue is I have children. He would be happy if I moved there. We have talk d about it so often. I just have to figure out how to handle the children situation.

The Children have a Father of Fathers, that would seem the best option, avoids all the issues.