B1/B2 visa denied

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6 hours ago, Roel said:

You have been on VJ for a while. You should know that people are often maaaaadly in love with strangers. 😛 Totaly normal here. 

@missileman Perhaps, a chapter or two in your 'upcoming' book.

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2 hours ago, ElDiablo said:

You are not in a relationship as that implies having relations. Talking online is not one, you need to meet first.

 

Do you really want to potentially have a relationship with someone that cant even afford a plane ticket? Especially as they live in a more 'developed' country where surely he has a lot more opportunities to make money than you do.

 

Not to mention you say he is a lot younger, how is he going to support you?

 

I think you can do a lot better.

 

I get what you're saying, but you're also jumping to conclusions. The OP did not say he was a lot younger, just younger. We also don't know if he's a young 20something who is just starting a career. A 22 year old who just started a $35K job is a heck of a lot different than a 40 year old with that same job with no savings or assets. And life has its ups and downs. I could have easily afforded to go to the Philippines when I was 23, but I would have been hard pressed to find the money at age 29. Few years later when I met my future wife, going to Indonesia was not a problem. Stuff happens sometimes!

 

 

[SalishSea 18,125]

7 hours ago, ncml said:

That's gonna be hard for me and him then. But I'm glad that everything went well with you and your wife! Must have been difficult for you guys too

That is just the deal with "dating" someone overseas.  Not really any way around it.  It is a very expensive process.  My husband and I spent thousands and thousands of dollars just visiting each other before submitting the fiancé visa petition.  

 

If he cannot afford to visit you, then his ability to afford to pursue a relationship with you would come into question.

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Denial usually results from insufficient ties to your home country. Every applicant is deemed an intended immigrant and it is up to you to prove your ties.

 

Maybe the IO thought that your trip might have ended up in a marriage and an adjustment of status when in the US; a complete attempt at short-cutting the legal visa process......

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16 hours ago, Zoeeeeeee said:

Wow. I honestly never knew there was a minimum income requirement when falling in love. I obviously was looking for the wrong thing (kindness, shared values, shared interests, sense of humour, etc)...I should’ve just asked to see my fiancé’s pay slips! 🤨

not as bad an idea as you think

there is not a price tag to fall in love but there is a huge one for immigration

I don't think anyone thinking of a relationship with a USC could understand the income "barrier"   as in a say a poor country $30,000 , for instance would look like a lot of money but if the USC lives in say Miami or NYC,  it is living paycheck to paycheck.  So,  i just say to this OP, understand if he can't afford to visit you without a struggle,  he probably can't afford the immigartion process.

 

without thinking about it,  if USC marries here another USC ,  basically you know where he/ she works and have a pretty good idea what they make and where they live giving you insight the foreigner does not have

and knowing what you are getting into and willing to accept is important

Give you an example

when i went to Morocco the 1st time i found out TB is very privalent

so when i went to marry,  i requested he get a chest xray (which was not part of the medical exam to marry)

 

many many petitioners and beneficaries get to the interview stage and are stuck in AP for a cosponsor or find out the person uses drugs or has to do a special form for a criminal issue. I say what is wrong with knowing all about the person you care about 

 

if i was running immigration ,  not only would there be income guidelines but the USC would have to produce a good credit score

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17 hours ago, ncml said:

Thanks for the reply!

He's tight on budget right now but he's doing what he can to earn the money for the ticket. 

For me, a relationship takes two people for it to work. I don't want him to shoulder everything like what you're implying. We can both support each other

you have a good way to look at it but understand it may require more than one visit to go further with anything 

and on a K1 visa , If you decided to do this,  you could not work for a long time

advice here is not to make you quit,  but to let you know everything we all know from having a long distance relationship and thinking even further to make it permanent

it can be quite a struggle, so be prepared

and best wishes for you 2

 

a good idea would be to have him join VJ and learn what is involved (if he intends to make this a formal relationship)

[SalishSea 18,125]

2 hours ago, adil-rafa said:

if i was running immigration ,  not only would there be income guidelines but the USC would have to produce a good credit score

Agreed.  Also a plan for health care insurance for each immigrant.

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3 hours ago, adil-rafa said:

not as bad an idea as you think

there is not a price tag to fall in love but there is a huge one for immigration

I don't think anyone thinking of a relationship with a USC could understand the income "barrier"   as in a say a poor country $30,000 , for instance would look like a lot of money but if the USC lives in say Miami or NYC,  it is living paycheck to paycheck.  So,  i just say to this OP, understand if he can't afford to visit you without a struggle,  he probably can't afford the immigartion process.

The OP hasn’t said anything about immigration, so whilst a lot of money is needed for this, it’s not necessarily relevant now. Her boyfriend might be broke currently because he’s just started a new career or business - in 3 years time, he could be a millionaire.

3 hours ago, adil-rafa said:

 

without thinking about it,  if USC marries here another USC ,  basically you know where he/ she works and have a pretty good idea what they make and where they live giving you insight the foreigner does not have

and knowing what you are getting into and willing to accept is important

It sounds like the OP is aware of her boyfriend‘s current limited income. 

 

However, I’m still standing by that not everyone thinks that wealth is the most important thing when getting into a relationship. If my fiancé couldn’t afford to pay for any of the immigration costs, I could comfortably pay for them myself - and there are a few people that would happily co-sponsor if his income wasn’t sufficient. 

 

 

3 hours ago, adil-rafa said:

many many petitioners and beneficaries get to the interview stage and are stuck in AP for a cosponsor or find out the person uses drugs or has to do a special form for a criminal issue. I say what is wrong with knowing all about the person you care about 

You’re right. I wanted to know everything about my fiancé, so I could decide whether we had a future together - what his hopes are, ethics, morals, political leanings, favourite dessert, thoughts on children, pets, retirement, cooking, bad habits, how frequently he does laundry...plus a million more. But not how much he earns. That wasn’t a deciding factor for me. Or a question I’ve asked. It’s important for immigration (though as I’ve said already, there are ways round it, or certainly would’ve been for us), but it isn’t necessarily important when you’re choosing to have a relationship. Maybe for you, but not for everyone.

 

El Diablo’s exact words were “I think you can do a lot better.” Trust me, if my fiancé  didn’t have a cent to his name, I couldn’t do better and wouldn’t want to.

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1 minute ago, Zoeeeeeee said:

If my fiancé couldn’t afford to pay for any of the immigration costs, I could comfortably pay for them myself - and there are a few people that would happily co-sponsor if his income wasn’t sufficient. 

In practice though, how many co-sponsors do you really think end up financially supporting the immigrant?  Providing them with food, shelter, clothing, insurance, etc?

 

I bet that # is negligible.

 

Immigration is expensive.  Maybe it is because of my age, but finances are definitely a consideration when it comes to relationships and immigration.

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1 minute ago, Jorgedig said:

In practice though, how many co-sponsors do you really think end up financially supporting the immigrant?  Providing them with food, shelter, clothing, insurance, etc?

 

I bet that # is negligible.

 

Immigration is expensive.  Maybe it is because of my age, but finances are definitely a consideration when it comes to relationships and immigration.

You’re absolutely right. A consideration though, not necessarily a deciding factor. Definitely not a deciding factor when the OP isn’t at the immigration stage...

 

I’m in my 30s, so appreciate that money and security is important...but because I’m in my 30s, I’ve had a fair share of s*** relationships...which makes me greatly appreciate how my fiancé treats me (and that isn’t dependent on money).

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35 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

In practice though, how many co-sponsors do you really think end up financially supporting the immigrant?  Providing them with food, shelter, clothing, insurance, etc?

 

I bet that # is negligible.

 

Immigration is expensive.  Maybe it is because of my age, but finances are definitely a consideration when it comes to relationships and immigration.

But zoeeee (how many e's?) makes a good point, in that the intending immigrant's assets can be used as well. People just always assume that the USC will always be the high earner. Even if the spouse comes from a developing country that is not necessarily true.  In the field I worked in, I met many people from a good number of developing countries who earned far more in USD terms than the average American.