video chat programs

[ram1009 46]

17 hours ago, arken said:

The other way is to do video call on skype and/or facebook messenger once a while from computer/laptop and take the screenshot of the computer screen as it displays the date/time.

 

However i don’t think one need to go to that level. Few video call screen shots along with other screen shots showing logs should be good.

What "logs" are you talking about?

[bird&bear 43]

7 hours ago, ram1009 said:

You're right and I feel pretty stupid to admit that I've spent so much time trying to do something properly that I forgot how easy it is to fake.  Now i don't know what evidence I can offer that can't be faked.

I agree with arken--I think you're worrying a bit too much about this. Just provide screenshots in whatever capacity you can (if you can't find an app that provides program-timestamped screenshots, do you think anyone else can/has?). Concentrate instead on providing evidence of time spent together in-person, as the general consensus here is that this type of evidence is stronger. Assuming you are a K-1, according to the VJ guide, that means copies of passport stamps, airline boarding passes, hotel receipts of trips together, etc etc. Screenshots and the like are supplementary. Just include a few screenshots of videos + call logs from whatever app you've been using to communicate.

 

If you're still worried about it, I'd use the search function here in the forums to search for what other people have included as evidence. That should give you a good indication of what works and what doesn't. Just remember that lots and lots of people have gone through this process here--there's almost always someone who's had a similar situation to you and has been able to make it work.

Edited May 29, 2019 by bird&bear

[ram1009 46]

1 hour ago, bird&bear said:

I agree with arken--I think you're worrying a bit too much about this. Just provide screenshots in whatever capacity you can (if you can't find an app that provides program-timestamped screenshots, do you think anyone else can/has?). Concentrate instead on providing evidence of time spent together in-person, as the general consensus here is that this type of evidence is stronger. Assuming you are a K-1, according to the VJ guide, that means copies of passport stamps, airline boarding passes, hotel receipts of trips together, etc etc. Screenshots and the like are supplementary. Just include a few screenshots of videos + call logs from whatever app you've been using to communicate.

 

If you're still worried about it, I'd use the search function here in the forums to search for what other people have included as evidence. That should give you a good indication of what works and what doesn't. Just remember that lots and lots of people have gone through this process here--there's almost always someone who's had a similar situation to you and has been able to make it work.

I am still worried.  Evidence of time spent together has already been submitted.  What's needed now is evidence of an "ongoing relationship" presumably after filing of the I-129F.  Nearly all of our communication is video chat and I've been counting on being able to provide good visual evidence.  I was wrong because it can all be faked so now I have no credible evidence.  You mention "logs" as have others but nobody has told me what logs or where to get them.  I asked some time ago about logs because I'd heard it mentioned and was told then that everybody uses screen shots.  That sounded like an agreeable compromise at the time but not when considering the faking issue.  So, I'm really kind of lost at this point.  I don't know what USCIS expects when video chat is how couples communicate which I would guess is prevalent.

[bird&bear 43]

22 minutes ago, ram1009 said:

I am still worried.  Evidence of time spent together has already been submitted.  What's needed now is evidence of an "ongoing relationship" presumably after filing of the I-129F.  Nearly all of our communication is video chat and I've been counting on being able to provide good visual evidence.  I was wrong because it can all be faked so now I have no credible evidence.  You mention "logs" as have others but nobody has told me what logs or where to get them.  I asked some time ago about logs because I'd heard it mentioned and was told then that everybody uses screen shots.  That sounded like an agreeable compromise at the time but not when considering the faking issue.  So, I'm really kind of lost at this point.  I don't know what USCIS expects when video chat is how couples communicate which I would guess is prevalent.

If you guys can squeeze in at least one more visit between now and your interview, I think it's generally recommended to do so. If not, just go with what you can provide. As I said, there are many before you who have gone through the same with similar evidence at the same consulate, so I'd search the forums to see what they have done. In particular, check out your country-specific forum--they'll have a lot more detailed insight into what is generally expected by the COs there. Every consulate is different--some are very demanding and picky, others are less so. If you have an "easy" consulate, then I doubt you have anything to worry about.

 

For call logs, I can't speak for others, but the below image is kind of what I was talking about. It's a screenshot of our FB Messenger chat (which we rarely use, as you can see lol). The chat displays when the call was and how long it lasted. I know for a fact that Skype and Naver Line do the same, and I'm pretty sure WhatsApp does too. I think that's as close as it's going to get to what you're looking for.

 

Hope that helps. Good luck on your journey!

 

[arken 4,197]

1 hour ago, ram1009 said:

I am still worried.  Evidence of time spent together has already been submitted.  What's needed now is evidence of an "ongoing relationship" presumably after filing of the I-129F.  Nearly all of our communication is video chat and I've been counting on being able to provide good visual evidence.  I was wrong because it can all be faked so now I have no credible evidence.  You mention "logs" as have others but nobody has told me what logs or where to get them.  I asked some time ago about logs because I'd heard it mentioned and was told then that everybody uses screen shots.  That sounded like an agreeable compromise at the time but not when considering the faking issue.  So, I'm really kind of lost at this point.  I don't know what USCIS expects when video chat is how couples communicate which I would guess is prevalent.

There is nothing in the world that cannot be faked, does that mean one need to worry about each n every thing whether it can be faked or not. All i am saying is don’t go crazy on something USCIS doesn’t give a damn about. 

 

When i said logs i meant screenshots showing the logs of messages or calls like the one showed above. People send actual photos or scanned photos on a word file writing the timeline of the photos. It is based on truth one is supposed to tell. Why are you so concentrated on “this can be faked, that can be faked”? Why do you think USCIs requires video call evidence with time stamped video screenshot? You are creating your own complex requirement for evidences. Just go with what you ate being suggested here, the ones USCIS is cool with and you should be good.

[ram1009 46]

6 hours ago, arken said:

There is nothing in the world that cannot be faked, does that mean one need to worry about each n every thing whether it can be faked or not. All i am saying is don’t go crazy on something USCIS doesn’t give a damn about. 

 

When i said logs i meant screenshots showing the logs of messages or calls like the one showed above. People send actual photos or scanned photos on a word file writing the timeline of the photos. It is based on truth one is supposed to tell. Why are you so concentrated on “this can be faked, that can be faked”? Why do you think USCIs requires video call evidence with time stamped video screenshot? You are creating your own complex requirement for evidences. Just go with what you ate being suggested here, the ones USCIS is cool with and you should be good.

You and I appear to have a fundamental disagreement.  You appear to believe that USCIS wants to believe whatever we tell them and I believe exactly the opposite.  USCIS under the current administration wants to reduce/eliminate immigration any way they can, IMHO and so anything that can be faked is assumed to be fake.  Yes, anything can be faked however most fakery requires resources the average person doesn't have access to.  Such is not the case with Photoshop.  Anybody can use it and everybody does, except me.  Why would someone paid to catch liars accept evidence he has been trained is likely faked?  The only evidence I can imagine of an ongoing relationship that I can't fake is if I attend the interview which I cannot do.  Nor can we meet for a second time.  I would if we could.  I feel helpless.

[Shiran 1,134]

1 hour ago, ram1009 said:

You and I appear to have a fundamental disagreement.  You appear to believe that USCIS wants to believe whatever we tell them and I believe exactly the opposite.  USCIS under the current administration wants to reduce/eliminate immigration any way they can, IMHO and so anything that can be faked is assumed to be fake.  Yes, anything can be faked however most fakery requires resources the average person doesn't have access to.  Such is not the case with Photoshop.  Anybody can use it and everybody does, except me.  Why would someone paid to catch liars accept evidence he has been trained is likely faked?  The only evidence I can imagine of an ongoing relationship that I can't fake is if I attend the interview which I cannot do.  Nor can we meet for a second time.  I would if we could.  I feel helpless.

You are creating a problem that only exist in your mind. First step of K-1 visa, which what I assume you wanted for your beneficiary is filing 129F by US Citizen. There no requirement there of "ongoing relationship" They just want evidence of a couple meeting at least once within last 2 years.  That is it. They also want to know petitioner is a US Citizen, and do a background check etc but that about it. It is up to US Consulate at the Embassy who will interview your beneficiary to establish if visa has merit. Luckily for you, Philippines is not a hard embassy. As a matter of fact VAST majority of K-1 filers on this side as well as the rest of US are from Philippines. Read their stories, they do not want or need to go all CSI like on the pictures, or evidence of relationship. 

Good luck.

[TBoneTX 45,841]

2 hours ago, Shiran said:

Philippines is not a hard embassy.

It has been observed here that the Manila embassy hands out visas like candy.

[arken 4,197]

8 hours ago, ram1009 said:

You and I appear to have a fundamental disagreement.  You appear to believe that USCIS wants to believe whatever we tell them and I believe exactly the opposite.  USCIS under the current administration wants to reduce/eliminate immigration any way they can, IMHO and so anything that can be faked is assumed to be fake.  Yes, anything can be faked however most fakery requires resources the average person doesn't have access to.  Such is not the case with Photoshop.  Anybody can use it and everybody does, except me.  Why would someone paid to catch liars accept evidence he has been trained is likely faked?  The only evidence I can imagine of an ongoing relationship that I can't fake is if I attend the interview which I cannot do.  Nor can we meet for a second time.  I would if we could.  I feel helpless.

If your world pans around that way for K1 interview that requires the least form of evidences, i can only imagine what sort of imaginary problems you will be creating on your own when preparing evidences for AOS interview later on and then subsequent i751. A beautiful mind.

 

Good luck in your journey.

[ram1009 46]

7 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

It has been observed here that the Manila embassy hands out visas like candy.

That's cute and it might even have been true in the past but it has little bearing on today's immigration situation.  My fiance was turned down  for a B1/B2 visa not long ago and I can tell you it felt like a stacked deck to me.  I don 't understand everybody condemning me for wanting to be prepared for  the worst.

[ram1009 46]

2 hours ago, arken said:

If your world pans around that way for K1 interview that requires the least form of evidences, i can only imagine what sort of imaginary problems you will be creating on your own when preparing evidences for AOS interview later on and then subsequent i751. A beautiful mind.

 

Good luck in your journey.

"Imaginary problems"!!!!!     I suggest you google Murphy's Law.  It's obvious to me that you  I have taken a different path through life.

[NikLR 13,231]

11 minutes ago, ram1009 said:

That's cute and it might even have been true in the past but it has little bearing on today's immigration situation.  My fiance was turned down  for a B1/B2 visa not long ago and I can tell you it felt like a stacked deck to me.  I don 't understand everybody condemning me for wanting to be prepared for  the worst.

Apples and oranges.  Vistor visa vs K1.  K1 visas are like skittles at USEM. 

 

Honestly though since all timestamps can be faked, just include the basic screen shot of your entire screen (good lord my husband's 3 34" monitors would make an amazingly long screenie!) You could even have the little bar that shows up showing your computer is taking time from the internet and isn't set by you. 

In reality you need to prove a meeting, in person, in the last 2 years.  That's harder than evidence of a relationship that is currently on going. At least you can have passport stamps etc.  Canadians rarely even get those!

[ram1009 46]

2 hours ago, NikLR said:

Apples and oranges.  Vistor visa vs K1.  K1 visas are like skittles at USEM. 

 

Honestly though since all timestamps can be faked, just include the basic screen shot of your entire screen (good lord my husband's 3 34" monitors would make an amazingly long screenie!) You could even have the little bar that shows up showing your computer is taking time from the internet and isn't set by you. 

In reality you need to prove a meeting, in person, in the last 2 years.  That's harder than evidence of a relationship that is currently on going. At least you can have passport stamps etc.  Canadians rarely even get those!

I believe I have solved my own problem and I have a suspicion others will follow my lead.  I discovered there are internet time/date sites (https://time.is/calendar)  whose displays can be minimized and placed on your desktop in any convenient position that does not block pertinent data such as photos.  The time & date is clearly visible as is the URL of the website which can be accessed by a CO who can determine that it cannot be altered by the user.  I intend to use skype to take snaps of both our faces simultaneously and then place the time/date display in a prominent position and take a screen shot.  Mission accomplished.  You're welcome!

[ram1009 46]

2 hours ago, ram1009 said:

"Imaginary problems"!!!!!     I suggest you google Murphy's Law.  It's obvious to me that you  I have taken a different path through life.

All problems are imaginary until they happen.  If they can happen they will happen to me.

[Shiran 1,134]

34 minutes ago, ram1009 said:

I believe I have solved my own problem and I have a suspicion others will follow my lead.  I discovered there are internet time/date sites (https://time.is/calendar)  whose displays can be minimized and placed on your desktop in any convenient position that does not block pertinent data such as photos.  The time & date is clearly visible as is the URL of the website which can be accessed by a CO who can determine that it cannot be altered by the user.  I intend to use skype to take snaps of both our faces simultaneously and then place the time/date display in a prominent position and take a screen shot.  Mission accomplished.  You're welcome!

To be frank, I would be more worried what CO would think when presented with screenshots which were obviously specifically staged for their benefit with a browser window, and internet clock sites. That like taking selfies while holding a today's newspaper, hostage style. 

Good luck to you.